Libersolis

Corey Sanders is actually a decent fighter, though I don't know how much fighting he has done in recent years. I saw him knock out one of those huge brothers from eastern europe only to lose to the other one.

I don't think an illegal will ever affect a pay raise in the field i work in.. If i worked as a contractor, construction worker, farm labor.. yes.. but.. I do not.. lawl..

so in schools.. no school lunches for 'anchor kids'? I thought those lunches were for all hte kids @ school, not only the kids from illegal aliens, which by constitutional right they are born US citizens, and therefore I think they have a right to school free lunches

You are assuming that these children weren't brought over during the initial border crossing.

we can all post "studies" supporting one side of the argument or the other on the economic impact of illegal immigrants to this country.

we won't be able to convince the other side.

the OP's posted letter, tounge in cheeck or not, displays a sentiment of the anti-illegal side. This sentiment is baseless. sure, there is a problem. and understanable ppl are mad/upset/angry. but don't let those emotions let you come to conclusins like the ones expressed in that letter.

Daniel

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hahahhaaaaa.. illegal in ones own country

not one person here is going to give over.. trust in that

besides, if I wanted other citizenship.. I'd apply for Irish (thru grandfather immigrating), English (grandmother) or Ecuadorian (wife).

while it is true illegal immigration is a known problem... the suggested/proposed solutions coming outa DC are stupid. not shortsighted, uneducated or whatever they call eachothers plans... they are all stupid. building a wall will not help. imposing stricter immigration laws will not help. granting citizenship to ppl who already commited a federal crime sends wrong message.

nailing the employers heavily with fines will start to bring the process back to equal balance. granting more unskilled labor work visas will also help. will congress listen? doubtful... big business spends the $$ there to get what they want... no longer for the ppl by the ppl.... more like for the $$ buy the congress.

If we want to talk solutions to a problem, I think nobody so far has really touched on the best solution. Of course it's not a popular one, but like every good solution to a problem, it addresses the cause. It's not a bandaid type of thing but a fixing type of thing, and that is, make Mexicans want to stay in Mexico. Why would you risk your life crossing over the desert for a job? One of the main reasons could be you can't find one at home, or that the job you had at home does not pay enough to sustain your life and the life of your family. I know, for an example, that Javier works about 12 hours a day on the farm, 7 days a week, and is paid 800 pesos a week, which roughly converts to $80. That's like $10 a day. And he's really not all that bad off. The key is to educate Mexicans-stop with this ending school in the 7th grade, and get them to stay in Mexico, with jobs available that pay a livable wage. To those who might say it's not our problem to fix, I would say it most certainly is our problem to fix: 1-because we don't want them here; and 2-because we are and have always been in the habit of "helping" other countries out, even the ones that don't necessarily want or need our help.

I have thought of that as well. It makes sense, but you are going to have to try and change an entire culture and way of life in order to improve conditions to that point.

I think this all ties back in to what the OP was trying to get across with his original message. The percevied benefits ( and according to these studies the actual benefits ) outweigh the perceived and actual punishments in place for coming across illegally.

Heina said:

I think most people wouldn't really care, because the reality of most people is that they have no intentions of immigrating to or staying in this country. For most people, it's a way to make money, then return home, so I think permanent ban wouldn't really scare most people.

To understand that, you have to understand why people come over here illegally-it's not to stay, although there are many who probably do stay.

Would you risk your life for a JOB, I dont think that is correct! of course work is partially the reason, food coupons, health care coupons, housing based on income, W.I.C, pretty tempting stuff eh!

I don't know a single one who has taken any of those benefits. Yes, it is about a job.

You don't know a single person fair enough, but how many people do you actually know? Figure out that percentage of the total population and you will get an idea of how pointless it is to try to make assumptions based on our own personal experience.

Geez, im feeling lonely on that list. Im at about 130 days now. oh well.

Don't feel too lonely, I'm still waiting too! - since April 5/06. Very frustrating to see people who applied in August and have been approved.!

Dang, you were late on the RFE too.. I wish we had some insight on what the heck is going on with the late K-3 bloomers and it definately seems that only "old form" applications are taking forever.

Kinda like someone doesnt want to work on them because they are more complecated for some reason.

Oh well, all we can do is wait and hope for better days.

I agree. Who knows how or why any of this stuff happens. Perhaps we should have someone at VJ get a job doing this stuff just to give us some insight into how it all works, or has there perhaps been a former USCIS employee that has posted here?

but how much of those 10 billion dollars come from illegal activity and how much from lega one? if the majority it's fmro legal one, it's none of your business to tell them to send or not send money to Meheeco..

i'm also sure that in your outrage, you read this part then

$60 billion dollars are earned by illegal aliens in the U.S. each year. One of Mexico's largest revenue streams (after exports and oil sales) consists of money sent home by legal immigrants and illegal aliens working in the U.S. Economists say this will help Mexico reduce its $17.8 billion defecit and may bolster the peso. $10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center,

and this:

Illegal aliens have cost billions of taxpayer-funded dollars for medical services. Dozens of hospitals in Texas, New Mexico Arizona, and California, have been forced to close or face bankruptcy because of federally-mandated programs requiring free emergency room services to illegal aliens. Taxpayers pay half-a-billion dollars per year incarcerating illegal alien criminals.

link

apparently not, as you decided to lump this with legal and illegal immigration

what's that saying?

PWNED

This Thread Has Been Won.

Nice to bring in my situation when I haven't mentioned it one bit, of course given your failed logic and pathetic arguments I am not surprised you would have to do that.

You did bring it up. You said my process is the same as everyone else's. Clearly, that was incorrect.

I said you process things in the same MANNER. Meaning, you get to file an I-130 just anyone else did. Try a little harder next time.

Nice to bring in my situation when I haven't mentioned it one bit, of course given your failed logic and pathetic arguments I am not surprised you would have to do that. You again fail to see the point. The very fact that someone is actually able to enter the country after violating one of the most basic and fundamental laws of any society is a complete and utter fuc king sham.

Of course you don't. There isn't any strict punishment being given. Why would you have regrets when you can go about the process in the same manner as those who haven't broken the law?

I don't have a sad story. My story is actually quite exciting. We overcame the obstacles that were laid out in front of us and for that I have to say Praise God! I'm not asking for sympathy. I don't need strangers on a message board to give me sympathy that I really don't need in the first place. I'm perfectly happy with my life. Like Daniel said, we are sarcastically going back and forth because the original letter is so insanely STUPID. It's very obvious to me when someone doesn't understand what illegals actually go through in their lives because it results in the ignorant posts you see like this OP's.

Like I said, no sympathy needed here. My life is awesome! I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

No sad story here either. I have no regrets.

The fact that you are even allowed to be in this country after breaking the law shows that there is enough benefit to breaking the law that it is worth it for people. Otherwise why risk it? Do you think people would actually do it if it meant that they would be permanently banned?

I think most people wouldn't really care, because the reality of most people is that they have no intentions of immigrating to or staying in this country. For most people, it's a way to make money, then return home, so I think permanent ban wouldn't really scare most people.

Nice logic there. How would people make money in this country if they are permanently banned?

The fact that you are even allowed to be in this country after breaking the law shows that there is enough benefit to breaking the law that it is worth it for people. Otherwise why risk it? Do you think people would actually do it if it meant that they would be permanently banned?

All this playful banter between you guys (waiver chicks) does not really make anyone who hasn't gone through that feel sympathy (which is why your both being sarcastically funny about it). You guys dealt with it so you know 1st hand the hardships, however hardships do not excuse illegal activity!! its laughable to think it does!

Just understand trying to educating others by pointing out hardships of illegals really does nothing for you or the plight of the downtrodden illegals. No one will feel bad for them in this way.

you are 50% correct. the hardships do not excuse illegal activity. <-- that part you have correct. the laughable part is the thought process of the OP's posted 'letter'. how anybody thinks that illegal aliens have it easy is beyond me.

Daniel

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It's such a reward to have to worry about your husband being carted off on his way to or from work. Yeah, fun times!

You want to know what's even better? When it actually happens! When he's sleeping in bed. Waking to big old guns pointed at his head. Man, those were the days!!!!!!

Yeah, like I said, fun times! But, you know, those are small prices to pay for the three day walk across the desert when they run out of water and almost die. Thank goodness Javier found some water that day and had the guts to keep pressing forward. Or else I guess he'd be another number to add to the long list of the one's who die on their way over. But hey, it's all worth it once you get here. All these lovely rewards you get. None of which he benefitted from, but whatever.

Nice how you omit the fact the he wasn't supposed to be here in the first place.

nice how you omit the fact this started from a request to become an illegal alien based on perceived rewards for such status.

Daniel

:energetic:

You are fighting a losing battle here. Very few people are going to feel sympathy for your sad story.

It's such a reward to have to worry about your husband being carted off on his way to or from work. Yeah, fun times!

You want to know what's even better? When it actually happens! When he's sleeping in bed. Waking to big old guns pointed at his head. Man, those were the days!!!!!!

Yeah, like I said, fun times! But, you know, those are small prices to pay for the three day walk across the desert when they run out of water and almost die. Thank goodness Javier found some water that day and had the guts to keep pressing forward. Or else I guess he'd be another number to add to the long list of the one's who die on their way over. But hey, it's all worth it once you get here. All these lovely rewards you get. None of which he benefitted from, but whatever.

Nice how you omit the fact the he wasn't supposed to be here in the first place.

I thought awakenings was great. I had forgotten about that one. A shame he sucks now.

I thought Bird Cage started he rapid decline into dog sh.it. Where as once he used pretty clever and more subtle devices to get across his political ideas, here he just used the most blatant and overused stereotypes he could think of, in addition to crappy actors and a poorly written story line.

I actually enjoyed was Mrs. Doubtfire as I thought it was a great movie for kids going through divorce, but even that wasn't really that funny.

This was a favorite movie in our house as well. My oldest son informed me about one month ago that they are or have filmed a Mrs. Doubtfire sequel and it will be out next year. The boys are excited about it and I am like wondering if he will be able to pull it off after so many years?

How they hell are they going to do that. Those kids are in their 20's now. He needs to let that idea die.

I used to like some of his movies, but as I have gotten older I realize that he just flat out sucks. Everytime he tries to make some insightful political statement he rehashes the same old cliches and uses jokes that were old 10 years ago. The last movie of his I actually enjoyed was Mrs. Doubtfire as I thought it was a great movie for kids going through divorce, but even that wasn't really that funny.

Libersolis, I'm sorry you were treated so rudely. You'll get more information here than anywhere. I looked at your timeline, and see:

You sent your I-130 May 24. That was more than a month after getting married.

You didn't send the I-129f until July 14. That was about a month after you could have, since you had a receipt for the I-130 June 20.

We all need to be realistic, based on our own filing dates as well as their responses. I realize you and I are from different countries and have different particulars, but if you want to compare, it took 3 months for my I-129f to be approved. With any luck, your NOA2 should be coming soon. What do the stats for South Africa tell you?

Well the reason I watied until May 24th to file the I-130 was because I attempted to file DCF in South Africa ( was initially told I could then told I couldn't)

Since I have 3rd party filing the papers for me, it took them a while to actually send me the stuff to send out for the 129-F. Of if I had found this forum first I would have filed the paper work myself, but at the time I knew very little.

As far as stats for South Africa, welll there isn't a large enough sample size to make any accurate analysis IMO.

I really am fine with the waiting, be it 2 months or 2 years. I am just most upset at the experience I had at the infopass office more than anything. I hope others have much better experience than I do.

Funny thing is I pretty much expected this to happen, but it was just different after actually being treated so poorly. I think I can deal with this kind of stuff if people are at least cordial to me, but to be rude from the start just put things in a bad place.

Well I just got back from my appointment and it was terrible, a total waste of time.

I went in around 10:15 and went to the middle window and handed them my print out from online. I had a 10:15 appointment but wasn't seen for about an hour. There was one person working the window and about 20 -25 people waiting inside.

When my number was finally called, I thought I was going to be sent to an immigration officer, but instead I had to speak with the man who was working the window ( not sure if he WAS an immigration officer or not but it wasn't what I was expecting)

He proceeded to ask me why I was there and I told him I was there to check on my wife's petitions. He then rudely corrected me and told me they were MY petitions and she was the beneficiary, like it was some powerful insightful new information he was giving me.

I told him I was there to see if I could find out anything about the cases, like perhaps if they were going through security checks, or just anything. He asked for my drivers liscence and typed some stuff up in his keyboard. I knew at that point he was going to the USCIS processing times website to read me what was on the screen. He told me that the applications were being processed from April 5th and that my NOA dates were still very far away. I told him I understood that, but I had been doing research on my own and knew from statistical analysis gathered by lawyers and from individual petitioners that the April 5th date was inaccurate.

He told me that it wasn't his concern what research I had done because he was looking at the processing dates right in front of him. I then told him that I was expecting to talk to someone who could give me insight on my case. He then said ( and I am not lying ) "My job is not to give you insight into your case, IT IS TO READ YOU WHAT IS ON THE WEBSITE."

He said that if I wanted insight into my case that I could call the individual service centers. When I told him there was only a general USCIS number he told me I could write them a letter. I knew at that point there was nothing I could do so I just thanked him and left.

I figured it would be a bad experience going to infopass, but this exceeded my expectations for just how bad it could be. I hope whoever else has an appointment scheduled has better luck than I do. Well i just thought I would share this.

I could not romantically love someone with strong, unquestionable, irrational religious beliefs. Ever. It says very powerful things about who she is as a person, what her priorities are, and whether she can deal with difficult circumstances with rationality or just with drama.

Well most religious beliefs are irrational by nature. Faith in and of itself is irrational according to what we know as human beings.

I have to disagree that someone's belief system about the nature of the universe is directly related to what their priorites are and how they deal with things. I find that while science and reason hold the most appeal for me, my wife is often able to make better decisions than myself based on her spiritural beliefs. ( Her diet, how she manages money, he interactions with other people ect.) I would much rather be married to a kind loving person who believes in the tooth fairy than an atheistic jerk.

Politically speaking we are like chalk and cheese.

Our first 6 months together was a feisty affair Although we still enjoy healthy debate there are now 'no go' areas because we both know the other will never change their view so we have to agree to disagree and just respect that.

We have challenged each other on the way we think about some issues and both of us have changed our views over the years on certain things......a different perspective is always interesting....

Just curious how do you guys differ politically?

I am glad my wife does have such strong beliefs, it makes our conversations interesting. The great thing about it is, it really gives me a chance to see things from a totally different perspective and to explore ideas and beliefs that I might not have otherwise taken the time to study.

Early in 2006, Major League Baseball conducted the inaugural World Baseball Classic. Given that the International Olympic Committee recently voted to drop baseball from the Summer Games as a medal sport, WBC supporters hope that this competition will show the IOC that baseball is truly an international game. 16 countries competed in the WBC, including baseball hotbeds Japan, United States, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Cuba, Dominican Republic and Korea, along with China, Taiwan (Chinese Taipei), the Netherlands, Canada, Australia, Italy, Mexico, South Africa and Panama. In the final, Japan defeated Cuba, 10-6. The United States, favored by most to make the last stages of the tournament, at least, was eliminated in the second round. MLB plans to hold the WBC again in 2009 and every four years after.

Mark

I'm sorry, I'm not going to allow your "facts" to get in the way of my truth. You're wrong.

/edit: fix quote

To be fair, the U.S. wasn't trotting it's best players out there. AL ###### LEITER started a game and he hasn't been worth a damn in half a decade. Unfortunately not too many of the American players were interested in honoring their country, while you could tell the Latin Teams and Japan were out there to prove something.

I have been using a mac for 2 years and recently tried to switch back to Windows... I just couldn't do it, though I wish i could run more games on OS. I realize the new intel macs let you run windows and OS, but id like to just stick to OS.

Because the US teams are, by far, the world's best. MLB is the strongest baseball league in the world, and since we invented it, we get to call it a world championship.

The US teams are only the best because of the all the foreigners on teams....

very true

I agree. I think baseball in general has declined in popularity among America's youth as there has been an increase in popularity of other sports and generally more things for young kids to do than go outside and play.

Also baseball holds particular appeal for those players in Latin Amerca ( probably the best players in the game today) because of the opportunity it provides for people living in these poor countries to suddenly become millionares and take care of their families for the rest of their lives.

Let me preface this post by saying a few things...

My wife and I share many common interests and share many common values, as I am sure most of you do with your spouses. It is only natural that we are drawn to those with whom we can connect on basic human levels.

WIth that being said one of the basic things we do differ on is how we view the world and the universe. We both probably identify ourselves with Buddhism, but as you know Buddhism covers a wide range of subjects dealing with everything from spirituality to science and pyschology, and it is in these areas that we most differ.

As I have grown older, and especially in recent months I have found myself intrigued by science and more importantly the scientific method. While not perfect by any means, I believe it gives us humans a fair shot at learning about ourselves and the universe surrounding us. I try to look at most things in life from the perspective of the scientifc method and generally regard science to be the most plausible way to find truth. That being said I do acknowledge the fact that there is much that is unexplainable given our current knowledge, but I lend that to the fact that we have not yet discovered a method or do not have the technology to find out the truth about the unknown, much in the same way a human being living 10,000 years ago would have had no way to know the composition of a star or to know that the earth rotates on an axis.

My wife on the other hand is a very spiritual person and her interest in Buddhism tends to gravitate more towards the spiritual aspects of it. She also believes several things out of faith which I find hard to accept because of direct scientifc evidence to the contrary.

We had a discussion the other day about nature, life and the possibility of life on other planets, and she told me that she believes that the earth is hollow and that people live inside and that the core is acually a sun. Now I had not actually heard this before, but given the nature of my thinking, I found is hard to believe, as I still do seeing as there direct evidence refuting such a claim and that the hollow earth theory is almost universally rejected by the scientific community.

Now if I believe it or not isn't really the issue. The issue is that my wife does believe it and I want to respect those beliefs, no matter how far they may differ from my own. I told her that while I was skeptical of such a claim I would do research on it, because I feel that I at least owe her beliefs respect.

I guess my question is.. what is the best way to deal with such things? Have any of you had experience with beliefs of such a differing nature, be they religious, social or political?