Zero Sum

Someone with more public health knowledge than you unfortunately.

Yes, and while states across the country have reduced their public payrolls by hundreds of thousands (they all made gubmint smaller), Texas has actually grown it's public payroll shamelessly by some 300,000. That's fully a third of the 900,000 or so total net jobs gained in the state since the end of the Great Recession. I suppose if all states had grown their public employment as Texas has done, our national unemployment rate would be much lower. So, let's hear it for big gubmint! It's a popular thing in Texas!

I'm amazed to see that people still directly respond to Paul. Really, amazing.

Not only this is irrelevant to the topic, but also very weird. You do know that Obamacare appeared looong after the problems with healthcare developed and that very little of Obamacare is in force by now? May be you live on another planet
The issue with this guy is that he is gay and that is why he would be facing deportation. Was one of the couple a female or if the federal law was changed to recognize gay marriages, he'd be home safe. He did not enter illegally and he is married to a USC. The only thing standing between him and a GC is that fact that he's gay. So he should get to stay, otherwise this is a case of discrimination based on sexual orientation, which is already banned pretty much everywhere in the US.
Illegals should be deported, although I'd like to see a more humane system than ICE detention when it comes to non-criminals.

He entered legally from what I've read.

step in the right direction

Strange... the frontline defenders of the Constitution seem to falter at defending the actual Constitution. Notice the irony there.

If the goverment manufactures the money, How is it not the goverments money to start with?

If they had guns, they could have defended themselves against the police and the dog would still be alive.
(In theory, that would have been their legal right except in Indiana...)

If you think their life is so swell, why don't you join them?
It's easy. Give away all your possessions to your family members and friends and quit your job (unless you are already retired).
Voila, enjoy doing whatever you want on the government buck
you may find out that this kind of life just ain't as sweet as you imagined it

It's a good thing then that we still have a Constitution to protect our basic rights such as voting from such "proposals".

More right wing claptrap, the Eagle Forum has laid another egg. Before the War on Poverty fathers never walked out on their families? PULEEEEZE!!!! Johnson was a mean SOB but at least he fought against poverty, President Bonzo fought the war against grey hair and common sense. Reagan's caveat? When you susidize greed, you get more of it. I find it humourous that the author describes the illegitimacy rate among whites as shocking, I guess Hispanics and Blacks did that anyways, you know how those people are, but not whites. They never had children out of wedlock, Johnson is responsible for the whole thing. The willed removal of fathers? Johnson was responsible for slavery too, I knew it.

I don't mind joking about the stupidity of posters that belittle victims of rape.

Sexual crimes are sexual crimes, slim. Not exactly an area to get into jokes.

Someone with more public health knowledge than you unfortunately.

And it would seem, by the service/academic (proxy for economic infusion to the economy) requirements of such things like DREAM, they'd be doing something for the nation whereas many born here to two American parents, would never have done in their entire lives.
These could be balanced approaches to addressing the issue.

I know you're only trying to be provocative... I have no interest (or time) to get into a multi-page 'debate' with you to try to back up your own claims. I was merely asking. But I promise to click on your links. Hopefully they will show the competitive nature that would make DREAM students eligible for scholarships, diluting the number of citizens/residents able to obtain them. This is your original claim and I do not oppose changing the law in that regards to not negatively impact people legally born in the country.
ETA: am reading through now.

thanks for your insight. wrong. but thanks. the bold really helped me see that you are thrifty in extracting your argument outside of context.

You'll find that you're a rare breed here. Someone willing to discuss the issues rationally and respectfully. There are not too many here willing to do that, but some of us try.
You are right, we have more taxes now than previously. But we also have more government services. This is a legitimate and honest debate to hold in this country: maintain/expand the role of government in society, or reduce it? It's a debate going on since the Federalist Papers and the Constitutional Convention. There is no one right answer, both the liberal and conservative (short hand for expand/reduce forces) make valid points for their cases. Most Americans benefit from and support many of the services government gives them. They answer that way in polls, and they've historically voted that way. Most Americans also don't like paying taxes (who does?) and are outraged by graft, corruption, waste, porkbarrel spending, and perceived unfairness. Most Americans also are responsible and try to live within their means and expect their government to do the same.
We have a problem today. The services we the people want (and yes, we want them, we voted for them, we tell pollsters we want them) cost more than we're willing to pay. So we have an unsustainable deficit.
We can fix this problem. If we're civil to each other, listen to each other, compromise with each other, we can do this. Services will need to be cut, but not cut out altogether. Taxes will go up, but fairly and with everyone sharing proportionately. Everyone will sacrifice, but none more than is equitable.
Americans have solved bigger problems and faced bigger challenges. This is in our grasp to do. I respect and applaud anyone - the most liberal or conservative of our politicians - who comes to Washington willing to work, listen, legislate, and compromise. I have no patience for any of them who sticks to their ideological position and refuses to budge. The Tea Party came to town precisely with that intent, and are following it with gritted teeth. They are not the problem solvers.
Oh, puhleeze. They also write off their losses, and can carry them forward indefinitely to offset future gains.

i see. well, good luck with that chip on your shoulder.

And then have lots of illegals in our prisons?

Perhaps the wording is bad and we should call them something else... folks bypassing border inspection. I mean look at history. Since I have been alive... about 40 years, we've never tried to actually stop people from crossing the border without inspection. In fact, there have been many articles written about how we almost encourage it. Sure, we're in a recession so everyone has their panties in a bunch looking for scapegoats in why we are in this mess, but at the end of the day we've allowed it. Not only have we allowed it, by offering free health care etc, we've encouraged it. I don't call someone looking for a better future an illegal. In fact, that's what I'll start calling them "folks bypassing border inspection." And there are a heck of a lot more "folks bypassing border inspection" that I would prefer to live next door to and call my neighbor than some of the thug criminals we have in the US.
Illegals? No, just simply folks bypassing border inspection. Many of them are good folks.

There is a little thing called the principle of justice in America and a punishment that fits the crime. Dream Act Kids by and large did not come here of thier own volition they should not be punished by the act of thier parents.
You sound like a Big Government Republican, ready to pull out the checkbook and build more prisons, hire more TSA and ICE and on and on ad-nauseum. So we take some folks who cost us virtually nothing working in minimum wage jobs and put them in Jail and pay the prison guards $7.00 an hour to watch them. Brilliant , nothing is produced and that giant sucking sound is money draining from our wallets. And at a time of all time high unemployement and fiscal crisis you want to vacate millions of apartments leaving landlords holding the bag?
As for costing states and municipalities millions... if I set up a hot dog stand and put a sign up that says "free hot dogs" should it really piss me off that people show up and take me up on the offer?
Since you will never stop migration from South America and Mexico any more than you will stop it raining or snowing it makes sense to do things in the most practical way possible. If an alien has significant equities like a US Citizen Wife and US Citizen children how does it benefit the US to make the US Citizen suffer or move outside the country?
Not going after non-criminal aliens with US Citizen ties is Humane and sensible Immigration Policy.

It's painfully clear that you are not making $300K. You would know your income tax burden is well below $100K at that income level. You're just bullshitting.

Either you are bullshitting or you need to fire your accountant. You might be in the 33% tax bracket, but you should be paying only around 25% of your income(assuming that you are married and filing jointly).
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
looks like Mawilson beat me to it.