2 shot by Mr. Horn in Pasadena, TX were here illegally

[peejay 327]

Link at bottom of post has webpage that has 911 audio of shooting.

2 shot in Pasadena here illegally

1 man had been deported in '99; officials looking at possible ties to a burglary ring

By ROBERT CROWE

2007 Houston Chronicle

Two burglary suspects shot by a Pasadena homeowner last month were illegal immigrants from Colombia, and one man had been deported nearly 10 years ago, authorities said Thursday.

Authorities also said they are investigating whether Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48, were part of a crime ring linked to burglaries and the use of fake immigration documents.

The two — killed by a Pasadena man Nov. 14 after he said they were trying to steal his neighbor's property — were in the country illegally, according to Leticia Zamarripa, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Joe Horn, 61, shot Ortiz and Torres, who went by the alias Miguel Antonio DeJesus. Horn called police after hearing breaking glass. He ignored an operator's warning to not go outside with his gun.

Pasadena Police Department Capt. A.H. "Bud" Corbett said Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction. He was on parole until 2017, Corbett said.

Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. He had two aliases.

Torres had identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He had three aliases.

State and federal authorities are investigating whether the two men, who lived in southwest Houston, were involved in the crime ring, Corbett said.

Police found almost $2,000 in cash in a white bag the men allegedly took from the home in the 7400 block of Timberline before Horn shot them.

Investigators also are trying to determine whether the men knew about the home or family before burglarizing it.

"I don't believe the victim was a random choice ... but there's no evidence of a relationship either," between the homeowners and suspects, Corbett said.

Horn told the operator that he did not know his neighbors well. Neighbors said the family moved into the home next to Horn's house about four months ago.

"I can't comment," a woman at the home said over the phone Thursday night.

A source told police that Ortiz and Torres burglarized the home, in part, because the homeowners were immigrants.

"They targeted foreign-born people," Corbett said. "They felt they were easier victims."

Little is known about the homeowners, who have Vietnamese surnames.

Neighbors said they own a small business near their Village Grove East subdivision.

Records filed with the Office of the Secretary of State of Texas show that the family owns a dry cleaning business on Fairmont Parkway.

Horn has received an outpouring of support from some neighbors, friends and strangers, but the incident also has outraged activists and other neighbors.

Activists and Horn supporters clashed Sunday when they staged dueling protests outside his home. The homeowners association is trying to prevent more protests from being held in the subdivision.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5359290.html

[natty bumppo 297]

Two less to deport ...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think that the legal status of the victims will make much difference to the guy's legal defense...

[Cassie 8]

Just because they are illegal, does not mean they should have been shot. The man with the shotgun was unnecessarily involved in the situation, he should have just stayed on the phone and stayed out of it.

[Jasman0717 9]

Two less to deport ...

What was the line in Quigley Down Under, "the trial will be a short one"

[Ban Hammer 14,279]

Two less to deport ...

What was the line in Quigley Down Under, "the trial will be a short one"

and the sentence permanent with no appeal

[peejay 327]

Just because they are illegal, does not mean they should have been shot. The man with the shotgun was unnecessarily involved in the situation, he should have just stayed on the phone and stayed out of it.

Nobody is saying that illegal aliens should be shot on sight. And the fact that these guys were illegal aliens has no bearing on whether the district attorney and the grand jury decide to indict Mr. Horn for murder. (Although I personally think he probably won't be indicted and if indicted probably won't be convicted.)

The point is...we have a huge criminal alien problem in many parts of the USA and a government that appears to give a sh*t less about it. Open borders, cheap labor, cheap votes, being P.C., etc., etc., seem to be more important than the public safety of citizens and upholding the laws our government officials have sworn to uphold.

Our country is way past due for real reform.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Just because they are illegal, does not mean they should have been shot. The man with the shotgun was unnecessarily involved in the situation, he should have just stayed on the phone and stayed out of it.

Nobody is saying that illegal aliens should be shot on sight. And the fact that these guys were illegal aliens has no bearing on whether the district attorney and the grand jury decide to indict Mr. Horn for murder. (Although I personally think he probably won't be indicted and if indicted probably won't be convicted.)

The point is...we have a huge criminal alien problem in many parts of the USA and a government that appears to give a sh*t less about it. Open borders, cheap labor, cheap votes, being P.C., etc., etc., seem to be more important than the public safety of citizens and upholding the laws our government officials have sworn to uphold.

Our country is way past due for real reform.

The peeps who are responsible for most of the crime in my neck of the woods are borne and bred right here in the United States. Children of urban blight, mostly.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just because they are illegal, does not mean they should have been shot. The man with the shotgun was unnecessarily involved in the situation, he should have just stayed on the phone and stayed out of it.

Nobody is saying that illegal aliens should be shot on sight. And the fact that these guys were illegal aliens has no bearing on whether the district attorney and the grand jury decide to indict Mr. Horn for murder. (Although I personally think he probably won't be indicted and if indicted probably won't be convicted.)

The point is...we have a huge criminal alien problem in many parts of the USA and a government that appears to give a sh*t less about it. Open borders, cheap labor, cheap votes, being P.C., etc., etc., seem to be more important than the public safety of citizens and upholding the laws our government officials have sworn to uphold.

Our country is way past due for real reform.

The peeps who are responsible for most of the crime in my neck of the woods are borne and bred right here in the United States. Children of urban blight, mostly.

I hear you there.

[peejay 327]

Just because they are illegal, does not mean they should have been shot. The man with the shotgun was unnecessarily involved in the situation, he should have just stayed on the phone and stayed out of it.

Nobody is saying that illegal aliens should be shot on sight. And the fact that these guys were illegal aliens has no bearing on whether the district attorney and the grand jury decide to indict Mr. Horn for murder. (Although I personally think he probably won't be indicted and if indicted probably won't be convicted.)

The point is...we have a huge criminal alien problem in many parts of the USA and a government that appears to give a sh*t less about it. Open borders, cheap labor, cheap votes, being P.C., etc., etc., seem to be more important than the public safety of citizens and upholding the laws our government officials have sworn to uphold.

Our country is way past due for real reform.

The peeps who are responsible for most of the crime in my neck of the woods are borne and bred right here in the United States. Children of urban blight, mostly.

We're stuck with those azzholes. The other azzholes are the responsibility of the countries they are citizens of. They have no right or grounds to be here illegally and shouldn't be here to add to the existing crime problem. I don't see the logic of pointing to American criminals. It has nothing to do with these illegal aliens having a right to be here.

I could give a sh*t if they commit crimes in their country. And our politicians could give a sh*t less if these azzholes victimize people in this country. Our politicians and the illegal aliens both need to be gone.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I don't see the logic of pointing to American criminals. It has nothing to do with these illegal aliens having a right to be here.

Deporting all illegals from the NYC metro area would make a very very small impact on crime rates. Most of our crime emanates from the old urban ghettos.

So bringing up crime as an emotive issue with the intent of getting everyone all worked up is disingenuous.

[Ban Hammer 14,279]

I don't see the logic of pointing to American criminals. It has nothing to do with these illegal aliens having a right to be here.

Deporting all illegals from the NYC metro area would make a very very small impact on crime rates. Most of our crime emanates from the old urban ghettos.

So bringing up crime as an emotive issue with the intent of getting everyone all worked up is disingenuous.

i suppose you have some links that prove that?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I don't see the logic of pointing to American criminals. It has nothing to do with these illegal aliens having a right to be here.

Deporting all illegals from the NYC metro area would make a very very small impact on crime rates. Most of our crime emanates from the old urban ghettos.

So bringing up crime as an emotive issue with the intent of getting everyone all worked up is disingenuous.

i suppose you have some links that prove that?

Not handy but I read it in the Times. This region has a LOT of crime emanating out of the Projects... not so much in the hispanic areas. We're not a border state so we're different that way.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

We're stuck with those azzholes. The other azzholes are the responsibility of the countries they are citizens of. They have no right or grounds to be here illegally and shouldn't be here to add to the existing crime problem. I don't see the logic of pointing to American criminals. It has nothing to do with these illegal aliens having a right to be here.

I could give a sh*t if they commit crimes in their country. And our politicians could give a sh*t less if these azzholes victimize people in this country. Our politicians and the illegal aliens both need to be gone.

Including Mr. Horn? Or does he get a pass from the jerk list because he shot two Colombian illegal immigrants?

[Mephys 2]

And yet another illegal debate....