Mosocw Medical Exam Controversy

[Chuckles 0]

As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Lots of people do want to come to America, but its a very small percentage of the total world population. Lots of Russian men are lazy drunks, but not all. Russian society has problems, American society has problems. Blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda. A very stale conversation.

Also, I have to point out, of course your girlfriends told you that about Russian men! I am no expert on women, but I think you need to think about why they are saying this... Its common with women all over the world... I won't explain.

And... Why are Americans not allowed to critisize other countries but people of other nationalities are so quick to critisize and judge America and Americans?

That being said, all the Russian immigrants I know who went through Moscow had no problems at any of the clinics. Even MOM.

[Nancy2015 2]

and maybe you should thank god you live in the USA cause so many foreign women on this site want to come here so badly.

Hmm... logic? Many women may want it, I don't care. I never wanted this for myself. I never even thought of it. I wanted to live in Europe at one point, but never in America. And it's not really nice to tell people waht they should think.

I mean, I liked living in Moscow much better than in the crime-ridden area of San Jose where you can't leave your car on the street cause it gets broken into and people sell drugs in the middle of the day right in front of you. Sure Moscow has it all too, but here it's so in your face, I can't seem to be able to get away from it.

And... Why are Americans not allowed to critisize other countries but people of other nationalities are so quick to critisize and judge America and Americans?

Everyone is allowed everything. But I have actually lived in the USA a few years, so I have experienced it first-hand. If I had merely visited a country a few times, I think I'd still be entitled to an opinion, but it would probably have no merit. That's what I think of the OP's opinion - he is entitled to it, but it's not really based on much, imho.

Let's just all get real - enough of that "America is paradise" bull. It's good to try to find the middle ground - seems to always work best

AO Medicina, btw, is a very good clinic, I would recommend it. I don't know about the other one.

[Nancy2015 2]

And these "thousands of women" are looking outside for other reasons, not because the Russian men are so bad. I certainly wish you all the best and hope you won't one day find out what these reasons are.

Please share these reasons.

They just want to use you for a green card. Very simple.

[slim 1,533]

They just want to use you for a green card. Very simple.

So you're telling me that all 50,000+ women on these websites simply want to use a guy to get a green card.... but yet "not everyone wants to come to the U.S."???

I'm just being argumentative here. I know there are several types of people online and in each country and the whole thing is what it is. But, you have to acknowledge certain things are the way they are for certain reasons. Sure, they're not the same reasons for everyone, but I still haven't seen the website with 50,000+ Russian men looking for green cards through American women and until you can show it to me, I'm going to have to go ahead and assume things (and people) are a certain way on both sides.

[Lyuba 0]

AO Medicina is a very nice place. Very quick, efficient and polite. I had a good experience there.

And so many people want to come to America because they think that America is a paradise. But once they actually get here, they see that it is not. After all, any place is good if you have money. No place is good if you don't.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

We had a Russian man on our site that was interested in meeting a lady from another country as he wanted to leave Russia. But in the year we had his profile online, not one lady wrote him even a single letter.

You are correct not all women on introduction sites are looking for a "green card". Most simply want to find some stability in their life and they consider the chances are much higher with a man from a different country.

They just want to use you for a green card. Very simple.

So you're telling me that all 50,000+ women on these websites simply want to use a guy to get a green card.... but yet "not everyone wants to come to the U.S."???

I'm just being argumentative here. I know there are several types of people online and in each country and the whole thing is what it is. But, you have to acknowledge certain things are the way they are for certain reasons. Sure, they're not the same reasons for everyone, but I still haven't seen the website with 50,000+ Russian men looking for green cards through American women and until you can show it to me, I'm going to have to go ahead and assume things (and people) are a certain way on both sides.

[mendeleev 69]

I don't believe those stories about harassment.

People, give me a break here. It is Moscow, a civilized city after all!

Where do you get those strange ideas about Russia?

I suspect stripping naked in front of a panel of men, being penetrated with non-medical objects "in order to ascertain that you are not a man", being subjected to comments about not being a patriot for considering leaving your country, about how desireable your physical aspects may be in front of this panel of men (were they all doctors and nurses?) without any women present might, in the mind of a reasonable person, constitute harassment. Maybe not. But I'd urge anyone to stay away from MOM.

[mendeleev 69]

Our second time around, we used AO Medicina. By and large, it was satisfactory.

But, at that time, AO Medicina was not following CDC vaccination guidelines and was requiring that everyone, regardless of age, get MMR vaccines. (They may have changed subsequently.) In fact, CDC does not require (and apparently does not even recommend) MMR for people over the age of 50 because the possibility of arthritis-like side-effects increases substantially with age. In fact, my wife developed what her doctors believed looked like a full-blown case of rubella (she was put into isolation at home until the rash subsided). Luckily, she appears to have escaped worse effects.

I would still urge AO Medicina but also urge that petitioners learn throughly about vaccination requirements and have their beneficiaries well aware of what they need to get and don't need to get in the way of vaccination. Even at that, one may not be able to protect a beneficiary from getting unnecessary vaccinations.

[Kotenochek 0]

after visiting doctor here in the USa at kaiser i strongly believe russia is way civilized!!!!

I did in MOm and was not very happy becausee the vaccinations they gave me came out not full and i had to do more here in the usa.so far of what i heard ao medicina is more expensive but service is better.one problem you should shedule your visit.

[NavarreMan 10]

According to the Dept. of State website for The Moscow Embassy there are 4 designated clinics for this exam:

1. International Organization for Migration

2. Filatov Clinic

3. AO Meditsina

4. Children's Hospital #1 (It appears this one is in Vladivostok)

None of these appear to be the MOM clinic mentioned in this thread and given such a bad reputation. My SO will be going thru this process shortly (God willing!) and I would appreciate someone clearing up the confussion over this discrepancy without getting into an argument about Russian men and why Russian women are looking beyond their borders for a SO. The OP asked a very reasonable question and somehow the thread took a serious turn into something else.

As I understand so far, most feel that this MOM clinic is bad but the AOM clinic is the clinic of choice. Is this correct?

US Embassy Medical Exam locations in Moscow

[mendeleev 69]

According to the Dept. of State website for The Moscow Embassy there are 4 designated clinics for this exam:

1. International Organization for Migration

2. Filatov Clinic

3. AO Meditsina

4. Children's Hospital #1 (It appears this one is in Vladivostok)

None of these appear to be the MOM clinic mentioned in this thread and given such a bad reputation. My SO will be going thru this process shortly (God willing!) and I would appreciate someone clearing up the confussion over this discrepancy without getting into an argument about Russian men and why Russian women are looking beyond their borders for a SO. The OP asked a very reasonable question and somehow the thread took a serious turn into something else.

As I understand so far, most feel that this MOM clinic is bad but the AOM clinic is the clinic of choice. Is this correct?

US Embassy Medical Exam locations in Moscow

Cleaerly NavarreMan does not know that the acronym for the International Organization for Migration, in Russian, is MOM. If you like the sort of treatment I describe, which doesn't happen everytime but does happen frequently, but all means, send your loved one to MOM.

[NavarreMan 10]

"Cleaely" my ignorance of such issues is self-evident. I apologize for being such a stupid dumbass. I will defer all questions in the future to persons of such intelligence, intellect and worldly knowledge such as yourself.

[NavarreMan 10]

Nav, no offense, but you did pose the question in a pretty "in your face" manner Nav. Which is fine, but you should be willing to expect the same back. *shrug* It's all good.

The Russian word for "International" is "МеждународнаÑ," hence the MoM acronym. (Not showing off, my Russian is horrid. I pulled it from a link back when I had this exact same question myself.)

Mox,

I have very carefully re-read my post where I asked my 2 questions. Perhaps I have tunnel vision being the author of the post but I really do not see anything "in your face" about it. When it comes to getting in someone's face, the difference can be seen between my first post and my second.

I'll break it down the way I intended it to read:

1. FACT - US Dept of State says...

2. QUESTION - Is one of these clinics the "MOM" and if so which one?

3. PLEADING - Please answer without going of topic.

4. QUESTION - MOM = Bad, AOM = Good, is this correct?

I can certainly receive what I dish out but I did not feel my post in anyway was rude to the point to elicit the response dealt out by novotul. Understandably novotul has issues with the MOM clinic and the experience offered is absolutely the sort of things we need to hear about so that we may make informed decisions on such matters. But the thread had gone from "Any advice on a good clinic?" to "Russian men suck and so does the USA". I was just looking for a clear-cut answer to the OP's question. I did not even voice my opinion on the issue of who sucks more. To me it doesn't matter. What is important to me is that Tanya is treated with respect and courtesy.

So if I stepped on someone's toes with my first post I assure you it was not my intention.

p.s. Thanks for the explanation of the MOM. If it were explained this way in the first place I would not be typing this now. (except for the thanks part)

Edited December 13, 2007 by NavarreMan

[NavarreMan 10]

Cause I live here!!!

I would have moved to Russia if I could crack the job market in Taganrog.

Thanks for the advice. Believe it or not, yours is always well received. Otherwise I would not have used up an hour carefully writing a response (the last one, not this one).

Cheers!

[slim 1,533]

I haven't heard of the ladies being treated with anything other than respect and courtesy at all the clinics recently. (Within the last two years or so.) The "controversy" that was going on at MoM and AO, or anywhere else in Russia for that matter, seems to have been cleared up by now.

I heard it was because of the controversial behavior being posted on so many of the Russian fiancee blogs that it ended up being investigated by the embassy and summarily taken care of. Don't know if that's true or not, just remember hearing something like that early last year. Could've been the year before, I don't know. They're all starting to mesh together now as the "pre-arrival" time and the "post-arrival" time. Or, the "K-1" and "AOS" times. Anyway, (since my wife might check this) it's all so much better since we've been together.

She went through the Vladivostok clinic and said it was normalna. If you're really worried about your woman being mistreated, maybe you can fly her out to Vlad for a day or two to see the sights and get checked out. Medically, of course. Not "checked out" while she's getting checked out. Anyway, you know what I mean.