(Illegal) Immigration crackdown expands along border

[Ban Hammer 14,271]

Send the anchor babies back with the parents. The parents created the child ... now they should be responsible for their actions and how it impacts the child. An anchor baby is just an attempt at legitimacy. The parents made a choice to be here and risk deportation should they be discovered. The children must not be used a pawns to cover for the parents illegal activities. There are schools is other countries too …. Yes?

If the illegals don’t want to risk being deported … then simply go home.

When the children are old enough, they are welcome to come back to the US.

So we have one vote for punishing the child for sins of the father.

while the emotional appeal may grab some, i don't see it any different than where someone escapes from jail and is caught years later. ultimately that was the choice of the lawbreaker to have a family.

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[SMOKE 1,426]

Send the anchor babies back with the parents. The parents created the child ... now they should be responsible for their actions and how it impacts the child. An anchor baby is just an attempt at legitimacy. The parents made a choice to be here and risk deportation should they be discovered. The children must not be used a pawns to cover for the parents illegal activities. There are schools is other countries too …. Yes?

If the illegals don’t want to risk being deported … then simply go home.

When the children are old enough, they are welcome to come back to the US.

So we have one vote for punishing the child for sins of the father.

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[SteveLaura 0]

Send the anchor babies back with the parents. The parents created the child ... now they should be responsible for their actions and how it impacts the child. An anchor baby is just an attempt at legitimacy. The parents made a choice to be here and risk deportation should they be discovered. The children must not be used a pawns to cover for the parents illegal activities. There are schools is other countries too …. Yes?

If the illegals don’t want to risk being deported … then simply go home.

When the children are old enough, they are welcome to come back to the US.

So we have one vote for punishing the child for sins of the father.

while the emotional appeal may grab some, i don't see it any different than where someone escapes from jail and is caught years later. ultimately that was the choice of the lawbreaker to have a family.

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The difference is, I suppose, that when a parent is sent to jail, the child isn't generally picked up and sent several thousand miles away.

[natty bumppo 297]

Send the anchor babies back with the parents. The parents created the child ... now they should be responsible for their actions and how it impacts the child. An anchor baby is just an attempt at legitimacy. The parents made a choice to be here and risk deportation should they be discovered. The children must not be used a pawns to cover for the parents illegal activities. There are schools is other countries too …. Yes?

If the illegals don’t want to risk being deported … then simply go home.

When the children are old enough, they are welcome to come back to the US.

So we have one vote for punishing the child for sins of the father.

Doesn't wash ... how many parents are currently in prison and the children are being supported by others.

Why is the child being punished? Mommy and Daddy have simply been offered a chance to work in their home country. And the Child gets to have an education and experience a different culture.

And … let’s keep the responsibility where it belongs … on the illegal parents.

Oh did I mention … by returning to their home country with the children, the parents are able to be with their children. Nobody is breaking-up the family.

If the parents were so worried about this issue ... they should have already returned to their home country and established themselves BEFORE the "anchor baby" even became an issue. Again ... parents ... should be responsible and do the right / legal thing and not play with their child's life. Let’s see … mom & dad are lawbreakers … sets a nice example for the child.

[Ban Hammer 14,271]

Send the anchor babies back with the parents. The parents created the child ... now they should be responsible for their actions and how it impacts the child. An anchor baby is just an attempt at legitimacy. The parents made a choice to be here and risk deportation should they be discovered. The children must not be used a pawns to cover for the parents illegal activities. There are schools is other countries too …. Yes?

If the illegals don’t want to risk being deported … then simply go home.

When the children are old enough, they are welcome to come back to the US.

So we have one vote for punishing the child for sins of the father.

while the emotional appeal may grab some, i don't see it any different than where someone escapes from jail and is caught years later. ultimately that was the choice of the lawbreaker to have a family.

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The difference is, I suppose, that when a parent is sent to jail, the child isn't generally picked up and sent several thousand miles away.

plenty of kids get taken in by "the system" due to their parents being incarcerated.

[AmericanGentleman 0]

Sorry, but the child is a US citizen. The child has EXACTLY the same rights as you and me. You can not charge that child with any crime. You can not, by law, deport that child. All you CAN do is make that child's life miserable in your pursuit of revenge against the parents.

All of this at taxpayer expense because you want to extract punishment on the parents. Me? I rather they keep picking fruit and be allowed to pay into the system. I rather they have to work on Sunday for the government to repay their debt to society.

[mawilson 2,133]

So we have one vote for punishing the child for sins of the father.

How is it different from punishing the child when his or her parents, say, commit murder?

[SteveLaura 0]

Send the anchor babies back with the parents. The parents created the child ... now they should be responsible for their actions and how it impacts the child. An anchor baby is just an attempt at legitimacy. The parents made a choice to be here and risk deportation should they be discovered. The children must not be used a pawns to cover for the parents illegal activities. There are schools is other countries too …. Yes?

If the illegals don’t want to risk being deported … then simply go home.

When the children are old enough, they are welcome to come back to the US.

So we have one vote for punishing the child for sins of the father.

while the emotional appeal may grab some, i don't see it any different than where someone escapes from jail and is caught years later. ultimately that was the choice of the lawbreaker to have a family.

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The difference is, I suppose, that when a parent is sent to jail, the child isn't generally picked up and sent several thousand miles away.

plenty of kids get taken in by "the system" due to their parents being incarcerated.

Absolutely. But it's not certain to happen. Maybe there's another parent to look after them, or grandparents. Saying, "Send the anchor babies back with the parents", as Natty has done, doesn't leave much leeway.

[natty bumppo 297]

Absolutely. But it's not certain to happen. Maybe there's another parent to look after them, or grandparents. Saying, "Send the anchor babies back with the parents", as Natty has done, doesn't leave much leeway.

Let's try this again ... The Parents Are Responsible For Their Child. It is the parents child ... yes?

When the parents leave ... they have the responsibility to take care of their child. Should the parent decide to leave the child behind ... it's abandonment by the parent.

This may be oversimplified but:

Did you ever relocate ... as a child? Did your parents take you along or leave you behind?

[AmericanGentleman 0]

So we have one vote for punishing the child for sins of the father.

How is it different from punishing the child when his or her parents, say, commit murder?

To clarify, this was in response to an assertion to deport the child along with the parents. I believe the current law allows for the parents to choose between taking the child or pushing the child onto the state. But that child can not be deported if the parent wish it to remain in the US.

[AmericanGentleman 0]

Did you ever relocate ... as a child? Did your parents take you along or leave you behind?

My parents decided to take me along. But then again, I imagine if my parent were to be kicked out of a country where they had no job, shelter, or means of supporting me, they would love me enough to give me to an orphanage in the US, knowing that I will have a better life than they were facing.

Sheeze, even American citizens give up their babies so it can have a better life. Your soundign like you dont think the illegals would do the same in even more dire circumstances.

[Ban Hammer 14,271]

Sorry, but the child is a US citizen. The child has EXACTLY the same rights as you and me. You can not charge that child with any crime. You can not, by law, deport that child. All you CAN do is make that child's life miserable in your pursuit of revenge against the parents.

All of this at taxpayer expense because you want to extract punishment on the parents. Me? I rather they keep picking fruit and be allowed to pay into the system. I rather they have to work on Sunday for the government to repay their debt to society.

so what's worse? let the parents stay due to "omg the poor kid" or send them all home and keep the family together? imo all going home is far better.

[SteveLaura 0]

Absolutely. But it's not certain to happen. Maybe there's another parent to look after them, or grandparents. Saying, "Send the anchor babies back with the parents", as Natty has done, doesn't leave much leeway.

Let's try this again ... The Parents Are Responsible For Their Child. It is the parents child ... yes?

When the parents leave ... they have the responsibility to take care of their child. Should the parent decide to leave the child behind ... it's abandonment by the parent.

This may be oversimplified but:

Did you ever relocate ... as a child? Did your parents take you along or leave you behind?

We are coming from this at different ways. My argument is - deportation is an unnecessary punishment. Therefore I obviously don't agree that children should be deported also.

I was also pointing out that Charles' analogy didn't quite fit. When parents go to jail, the child is punished by the separation from them, but not from their own home.

[AmericanGentleman 0]

Sorry, but the child is a US citizen. The child has EXACTLY the same rights as you and me. You can not charge that child with any crime. You can not, by law, deport that child. All you CAN do is make that child's life miserable in your pursuit of revenge against the parents.

All of this at taxpayer expense because you want to extract punishment on the parents. Me? I rather they keep picking fruit and be allowed to pay into the system. I rather they have to work on Sunday for the government to repay their debt to society.

so what's worse? let the parents stay due to "omg the poor kid" or send them all home and keep the family together? imo all going home is far better.

I try to focus on what is best, not what is worst. What is BEST is keeping families together, period. Unlike my conservative counterparts, I do not believe you can be pro-life and anti-gay marriage, aka family values, yet want to rip apart families due to lack of legal immigration status.

There is absolutely ZERO reason why these people can not remain here and repay their debt to our society in a productive way. A way that can certainly be less attractive than doign it the normal legal way, but a way that is actually accepted by everyone involved. Seems most people are stuck on stupid and can not see beyond our short sighted politician's ideaology and idiotic partistan parroting of catch phrases that equate anythign other than deportation as amnesty..

[peejay 327]

Sorry, but the child is a US citizen. The child has EXACTLY the same rights as you and me. You can not charge that child with any crime. You can not, by law, deport that child. All you CAN do is make that child's life miserable in your pursuit of revenge against the parents.

All of this at taxpayer expense because you want to extract punishment on the parents. Me? I rather they keep picking fruit and be allowed to pay into the system. I rather they have to work on Sunday for the government to repay their debt to society.

so what's worse? let the parents stay due to "omg the poor kid" or send them all home and keep the family together? imo all going home is far better.

I try to focus on what is best, not what is worst. What is BEST is keeping families together, period. Unlike my conservative counterparts, I do not believe you can be pro-life and anti-gay marriage, aka family values, yet want to rip apart families due to lack of legal immigration status.

There is absolutely ZERO reason why these people can not remain here and repay their debt to our society in a productive way. A way that can certainly be less attractive than doign it the normal legal way, but a way that is actually accepted by everyone involved. Seems most people are stuck on stupid and can not see beyond our short sighted politician's ideaology and idiotic partistan parroting of catch phrases that equate anythign other than deportation as amnesty..

To blame the American people and the US government for enforcing immigration laws that have been on the books for years is lame. As if these aliens didn't realize that paying a smuggler to sneak them into the USA like a thief in the night and using counterfeit ID to work illegally in the USA entitles them to permanent residency because they made baby on US soil? Put the blame where it belongs...on the illegal alien and quit blaming the real victim...the American people.

I see absolutely no benefit in enabling, rewarding, and encouraging mass illegal immigration into the USA. It is a plague that is a burden to a vast majority of Americans. Throwing babies and children into the debate is the worst kind of smokescreen. It has nothing to do with enforcing any law against anyone for doing anything illegal.