Feminism And Romance Go Hand In Hand

[almaty 19]

sister fracas i am joining you..i brought extra for a friend, who may want to join us

[Fandango 1,440]

A feminist should support the right for a woman to choose to be a stay at home housewife/mother.

[DeadPoolX 9]

A feminist should support the right for a woman to choose to be a stay at home housewife/mother.

I absolutely agree.

Being a homemaker and/or mother are incredibly difficult jobs, neither of which get very much respect in our society. My mother was both and I saw how hard she worked in raising my brother and me. Of course, not every family has the luxury of having a permanent "stay-at-home mom" (or even dad) in today's world. It seems that in order to make ends meet, very often two incomes are required, especially when college tuition is considered.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

A feminist should support the right for a woman to choose to be a stay at home housewife/mother.

I absolutely agree.

Being a homemaker and/or mother are incredibly difficult jobs, neither of which get very much respect in our society. My mother was both and I saw how hard she worked in raising my brother and me. Of course, not every family has the luxury of having a permanent "stay-at-home mom" (or even dad) in today's world. It seems that in order to make ends meet, very often two incomes are required, especially when college tuition is considered.

Well they do I think. The comment I posted was in relation to an essay about certain feminist groups who perpetuate traditional gender roles via fundamentalist christianity. Its an interesting essay - should be able to find it online - title is Right-Wing Women: The Politics of Domesticated Females.

[Fandango 1,440]

A feminist should support the right for a woman to choose to be a stay at home housewife/mother.

I absolutely agree.

Being a homemaker and/or mother are incredibly difficult jobs, neither of which get very much respect in our society. My mother was both and I saw how hard she worked in raising my brother and me. Of course, not every family has the luxury of having a permanent "stay-at-home mom" (or even dad) in today's world. It seems that in order to make ends meet, very often two incomes are required, especially when college tuition is considered.

Well they do I think. The comment I posted was in relation to an essay about certain feminist groups who perpetuate traditional gender roles via fundamentalist christianity. Its an interesting essay - should be able to find it online - title is Right-Wing Women: The Politics of Domesticated Females.

Right, I was responding really to this:

Its no secret that traditional feminists (Andrea Dworkin is the only one I'm familiar with) were rather sceptical of someone who insists they stand up for women's rights yet basically accept the status quo of the 'traditional' gender roles.

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On another tangent: I'm ALL FOR equality, but not for pretending there's no difference between men and women. Equal, but different!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

A feminist should support the right for a woman to choose to be a stay at home housewife/mother.

I absolutely agree.

Being a homemaker and/or mother are incredibly difficult jobs, neither of which get very much respect in our society. My mother was both and I saw how hard she worked in raising my brother and me. Of course, not every family has the luxury of having a permanent "stay-at-home mom" (or even dad) in today's world. It seems that in order to make ends meet, very often two incomes are required, especially when college tuition is considered.

Well they do I think. The comment I posted was in relation to an essay about certain feminist groups who perpetuate traditional gender roles via fundamentalist christianity. Its an interesting essay - should be able to find it online - title is Right-Wing Women: The Politics of Domesticated Females.

Right, I was responding really to this:

Its no secret that traditional feminists (Andrea Dworkin is the only one I'm familiar with) were rather sceptical of someone who insists they stand up for women's rights yet basically accept the status quo of the 'traditional' gender roles.

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On another tangent: I'm ALL FOR equality, but not for pretending there's no difference between men and women. Equal, but different!

Well the essay is critical of just about everybody - it doesn't suggest at all that there are no differences between men & women (that's probably just how I'm explaining it) but it does single out self-proclaimed feminist groups who stand for traditional roles and the patriarchal domination that that implies. Saying they stand for freedom, equality and women's rights doesn't mean that they really do, especially when they're actively engaged in campaigns to take away those rights from other women.

[Peikko 1,575]

Indeed, equal but different.

I would still like a bit more respect paid to the less beautiful people, they have every bit as much right to and I am sure equally capable of romance. Beauty is after all, only skin deep!

[derekkj 0]

A feminist should support the right for a woman to choose to be a stay at home housewife/mother.

I absolutely agree.

Being a homemaker and/or mother are incredibly difficult jobs, neither of which get very much respect in our society. My mother was both and I saw how hard she worked in raising my brother and me. Of course, not every family has the luxury of having a permanent "stay-at-home mom" (or even dad) in today's world. It seems that in order to make ends meet, very often two incomes are required, especially when college tuition is considered.

Agree with both comments and would add that a feminist should also support the right of a man to stay at home and be househusband/father. Gloria Steinhem once said something to the effect that women won't be equal to men when people realize that women can do what a man can do. Instead women will be equal to men when people realize that a man can do what a woman can do. And while I also agree with Dead Pool X's comment that there are a few things which biologically a woman or man is better suited to do, I also have a few male friends who have chosen to stay at home with their kids and they are doing great jobs!

Lisa, that azz of yours always makes me laugh!

[DeadPoolX 9]

A feminist should support the right for a woman to choose to be a stay at home housewife/mother.

I absolutely agree.

Being a homemaker and/or mother are incredibly difficult jobs, neither of which get very much respect in our society. My mother was both and I saw how hard she worked in raising my brother and me. Of course, not every family has the luxury of having a permanent "stay-at-home mom" (or even dad) in today's world. It seems that in order to make ends meet, very often two incomes are required, especially when college tuition is considered.

Agree with both comments and would add that a feminist should also support the right of a man to stay at home and be househusband/father. Gloria Steinhem once said something to the effect that women won't be equal to men when people realize that women can do what a man can do. Instead women will be equal to men when people realize that a man can do what a woman can do. And while I also agree with Dead Pool X's comment that there are a few things which biologically a woman or man is better suited to do, I also have a few male friends who have chosen to stay at home with their kids and they are doing great jobs!

Lisa, that azz of yours always makes me laugh!

Well, when I said that, I wasn't referring to any sort of "biological ability" to be a mother or caretaker. Both men and women can take care of children just fine. It really depends on their willingness to do it.

What I meant was true biological issues. For instance, for a long time I thought women would make better snipers in the military, since women are usually smaller than men (thereby creating a smaller target to hit and hiding easier) and have greater patience than most men, which is often required for the job. However, when I spoke to some of my friends in the military -- both male and female -- the response I receive was the same: No, it wouldn't be a good idea for a woman to be a sniper.

Their reasoning had to do with biological issues, not sexism (remember, there were female soldiers I was talking to too). If you're a sniper, you may have to remain in uncomfortable surroundings and conditions for a long time, without access to a bathroom or toiletries. This isn't a huge issue for a man. He can just "whip it out" and urinate. For women, on the other hand, it's a bit more complicated. Plus, women are also more prone to urinary tract infections and yeast infections if they don't keep themselves sanitary. Then, there's also the issue of menstruation, which although it probably wouldn't reduce her effectiveness with a rifle, it could easily become very annoying, very fast (especially if accompanied by bloating and cramps).

Of course, this is only one example and it's fairly unusual. Most people -- men or women -- aren't snipers in the military, so this scenario and problem isn't too likely. However, it is a situation in which biology comes into play and would make men more suitable for the task.

I wouldn't worry too much. Quite a lot of research has shown that women make excellent pilots and that's a much better place to be anyway. At the end of the day, you land at your base or aicraft carrier and have a shower and a bed to sleep in.

[derekkj 0]

Well, when I said that, I wasn't referring to any sort of "biological ability" to be a mother or caretaker. Both men and women can take care of children just fine. It really depends on their willingness to do it.

What I meant was true biological issues. For instance, for a long time I thought women would make better snipers in the military, since women are usually smaller than men (thereby creating a smaller target to hit and hiding easier) and have greater patience than most men, which is often required for the job. However, when I spoke to some of my friends in the military -- both male and female -- the response I receive was the same: No, it wouldn't be a good idea for a woman to be a sniper.

Their reasoning had to do with biological issues, not sexism (remember, there were female soldiers I was talking to too). If you're a sniper, you may have to remain in uncomfortable surroundings and conditions for a long time, without access to a bathroom or toiletries. This isn't a huge issue for a man. He can just "whip it out" and urinate. For women, on the other hand, it's a bit more complicated. Plus, women are also more prone to urinary tract infections and yeast infections if they don't keep themselves sanitary. Then, there's also the issue of menstruation, which although it probably wouldn't reduce her effectiveness with a rifle, it could easily become very annoying, very fast (especially if accompanied by bloating and cramps).

Of course, this is only one example and it's fairly unusual. Most people -- men or women -- aren't snipers in the military, so this scenario and problem isn't too likely. However, it is a situation in which biology comes into play and would make men more suitable for the task.

I wouldn't worry too much. Quite a lot of research has shown that women make excellent pilots and that's a much better place to be anyway. At the end of the day, you land at your base or aicraft carrier and have a shower and a bed to sleep in.

I knew what you meant and I agreed. I only referenced the child-rearing because there have been a few people that I have talked who think that men are inferior to women in that regards because the women are supposed to be biologically more nuturing than men. Obviously I disagree with that argument.

But like your sniper argument, I feel that there are areas where a woman is at least at a disadvantage biologically. Fireman leaps to mind. Most women are smaller than most men and cannot lift as much. That is not to say that there aren't women out there who are physically capable to do the job and should be allowed to do if they can pass the same tests as their male counterparts. But I don't want to be passed out in a burning building and have some fireman who weighs less than I do trying to drag my fat azz out.

By the way, most of the gun instructors that I have spoken with (as well as Maj. Edward Land) also say that it is far easier to teach a woman to shoot than a man. Women generally take instruction better than men and they are ofter better natural shots.

[Ban Hammer 14,654]

Beauty is after all, only skin deep!

very true. but ugly goes to the bone

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

How can we be sure?