Passport Where does the boy go

[Thomas-n-Elena 0]

My wife and I are trying to figure out whose passport our son should be in? She is getting her passport renewed but Im not sure you can list a US Citizen in a foreign passport. Any thoughts, ideas, notions?

[Jasman0717 8]

Not sure I understand your question

[Satellite 1]

My wife and I are trying to figure out whose passport our son should be in? She is getting her passport renewed but Im not sure you can list a US Citizen in a foreign passport. Any thoughts, ideas, notions?

First of all I am pretty sure you cannot just add a person to your US passport. Each child has his or her own passport in the United States. See below:

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/minors/minors_834.html

The adding of children to passports is a Russian thing. In order to do that you'll need to translate that US birth certificate, get it appostiled, and bring it to the Russian consulate of your jurisdiction. See instructions below:

http://www.consulrussia.org/passport.htm#&...#1082;у...

http://www.consulrussia.org/passport.htm#&...;ля

After all that you may add the child, although I think for going through all this, you might just want to get the real passport.

But really what you are doing is making Russian citizenship for the child. It will certainly help in saving money on visas to Russia, but after age 18 he is good to go for compulsory military service too.

[lmhvm 0]

Satellite,

would this mean that the child will no longer have US citizenship.

i read on one of the other posts that in order to gain Russian citizenship one would have to give up their US citizenship. could you please let me know?

Thanks in advance

[Satellite 1]

would this mean that the child will no longer have US citizenship. i read on one of the other posts that in order to gain Russian citizenship one would have to give up their US citizenship. could you please let me know?

One can lose their US citizenship by making affirmative actions abroad at a US consulate or something on the level of fighting against the US or serving in political office in direct conflict with the US, and then there must be a determination. Even the American Taliban guy from a few years got to keep his citizenship. Therefore, you do not lose US citizenship simply be acquiring another countries citizenship.

As for the second part, your statement is correct but out of context. There are many ways to gain Russian citizenship. Some of the methods require you to bring a piece of paper showing absence of US citizenship. Acquiring Russian Citizenship while under the age of 18 and having at least one Russian Citizen parent does not require that draconian step.

You can read about it below:

http://www.consulrussia.org/citizen.htm

There used to be a great English Language website that described the citizenship laws of all countries, but I can't seem to find it anymore. We have the book version in the law library, but its a shame its not online.

[lmhvm 0]

Thanks.........

[slim 1,514]

Thomas, it sounds like you very well could do both. Get the kid an American passport and then on your next trip back to the Motherland, get him added to mama's passport too. I would venture to guess this would be a non-issue for then next 17 years or so.

[Satellite 1]

Thomas, it sounds like you very well could do both. Get the kid an American passport and then on your next trip back to the Motherland, get him added to mama's passport too. I would venture to guess this would be a non-issue for then next 17 years or so.

Slim, I am not sure this can be done in Russia. It's worth a try of course. Keep in mind that if you do nothing in the US, the child will need a visa to Russia if he only has American Citizenship. Then try to get a Russian passport / citizenship in Russia using a translated birth certificate, appostile. consulate certification, etc. might take either a long time or not at all. My suggestion is to get that Russian passport here in the US.

Problem in Reverse:

If the same child is born in Russia, and acquires a US passport through the US consulate, the child would either need to apply for an exit Russian visa (small green paper), or acquire Russian citizenship and have the exit stamp placed in that passport as is done for all other Russian citizenship. Usually acquiring the US citizenship abroad is way faster than getting the Russian citizenship setup, which is why this is an issue for some couples who urgently want to return to the US after the birth of their child.

[1HappyGuy 45]

You have an interesting problem. I know that generally small children are included on the mother's passport until they are old enough to have their own. I assume that you plan a trip back to introduce your child to all the relatives in Russia. My suggestion is to write to our state department and give them the details. I'm sure you will get an answer back fairly quickly. Make sure you give all the specifics.

[Satellite 1]

You have an interesting problem. I know that generally small children are included on the mother's passport until they are old enough to have their own. I assume that you plan a trip back to introduce your child to all the relatives in Russia. My suggestion is to write to our state department and give them the details.

Do you think the state department will make an exception to their rules.

See rule below:

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/minors/minors_834.html

[1HappyGuy 45]

This is from the U.S. State Department web site:

Do I Need to Obtain a Separate Passport for My Baby?

Yes. All persons, including newborn infants, are required to obtain passports in their own names. For children under age 14, the consent of both parents/guardians is required.

For Minors under Age 14 you must establish proof of citizenship AND proof of relationship. Previous U.S. passports are not acceptable as proof of relationship to the applying parent(s)/guardian(s). See number 3 below for proof of relationship.

All documents submitted with the application as evidence of U.S. citizenship will be returned with the issued passport. See Processing Times.

For proof of citizenship, you will need to submit one of the following:

· Certified U.S. birth certificate ; or

· Previous fully valid U.S. Passport; or

· Report of Birth Abroad (Form FS-240); or

· Certification of Birth Abroad (Form DS-1350); or

· Certificate of Citizenship or Naturalization from USCIS.

NOTE: A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, Impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the Date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth

A Delayed Birth Certificate filed more than one year after your birth may be acceptable if it:

· Listed the documentation used to create it and

· Signed by the attending physician or midwife, or, lists an affidavit signed by the parents, or shows early public records.

If you do NOT have a previous U.S. passport or a certified birth certificate, you will need :

1. Letter of No Record

Issued by the state with your name, date of birth, which years were searched for a birth record and that there is no birth certificate on file for you.

2. AND as many of the following as possible:

· Baptismal certificate

· Hospital birth certificate

· Census record

· Early school record

· Family bible record

· Doctor's record of post-natal care

NOTES:· These documents must be early public records showing the date and place of birth, preferably created within the first five years of your life· You may also submit an Affidavit of Birth, form DS-10A, from an older blood relative, i.e., a parent, aunt, uncle, sibling, who has personal knowledge of your birth. It must be notarized or have the seal and signature of the acceptance agent.