The whole process is outrageous

[Caladan 19]

Thanks, Feather. You've answered some questions already... I'm gonna have to provide duplicates. My other questions are probably local quirks only Joy can answer such as can we just do the fingerprints and send them in?

Fiance & I are going to California and then on a month long honeymoon visiting family and such. I don't want to miss an appointment to get her fingerprints done (again, they were done in Finland already).

Oh, what the heck is a 'lock box'? There appears to be two addresses to send the status adjustment form... I remember the Lincoln, Nebraska address but now there is a 'lock box' to send it to in an entirely different city.

The work permit is free now but that application gives a different address from the AoS application... I'm afraid they'll bounce it back if I don't include a fee.

It doesn't have to be like this.

You'll be okay. Family based petitions go to the Chicago Lockbox (basically a big PO Box.) If you send the I-765 and I-131 along with the I-485, you don't need to send a separate fee, and you send them ALL to Chicago.

And with the delays lately, you probably won't miss your biometrics appointment. I filed at the beginning of August and we still don't have our appointment (he's been fingerprinted three times since this process began... you'd think one of them would count. )

[no name 1]

Thanks, Feather. You've answered some questions already... I'm gonna have to provide duplicates. My other questions are probably local quirks only Joy can answer such as can we just do the fingerprints and send them in?

Fiance & I are going to California and then on a month long honeymoon visiting family and such. I don't want to miss an appointment to get her fingerprints done (again, they were done in Finland already).

Oh, what the heck is a 'lock box'? There appears to be two addresses to send the status adjustment form... I remember the Lincoln, Nebraska address but now there is a 'lock box' to send it to in an entirely different city.

The work permit is free now but that application gives a different address from the AoS application... I'm afraid they'll bounce it back if I don't include a fee.

It doesn't have to be like this.

They can answer it all.

[Sinergy 3]

Folks, we've all paid taxes... 31% off the top for most of us plus about another 20% in hidden taxes on goods and services. Why are we being milked again?

We want to marry someone. That's it. 9/11 was done by people approved by the feds to come to our country. Who has been punished? Nobody working for the Feds, that's for certain.

We're trying to get married and live happy ever after, that's all. USCIS is using it as an excuse to extract revenue from us.

All that can be reasonably asked of us is the following; a tax return (have ya got a job to support your new wife/husband with?) and a criminal background check on the fiance'. That's it. No more.

This wringer INS wants to smash us all through is just plain cruel and pointless.

Well, that's now how it is, and it's not going to change (and INS is no longer a department that exists), so either put up or shut up.

"That's how it is and it's not going to change."

Says you. What a cowardly attitude. Put up or shut up? Do you want photos of the building, sweetie? Photos of the people inside the building, darling? It's the same building and the same people. I went through this whole damnable process ten years ago and in the decade past it's only gotten worse and ten times the cost in money and bloody pointless paperwork.

You want to bend over and lube up, fine. I've got to do the same thing but the difference between us appears to be that you like it and I don't. It's precisely your sort of attitude that has allowed the feds to spiral so far out of control.

They work for us. We do not work for them. How dare you forget that.

If youve already gone thru the process you should know how it is. if you chose to go out of the US to marry again then you have no reason to be this psychotic about the process. and for you to attack ppl like you are better than the rest of us who have gone thru or are going thru this process is just rude and pathetic.

get yourself in check, and then come back on VJ.

[alaskaone 0]

Members support members in this group. The OP offers no support. Instead, the OP offers screams and tears for the shoulders of others without contributing so much as a timeline to the group. Even the tears and screams are irrational. The first advice was the best. Zanex or something stronger.

You might try reading for comprehension. Go on, give it a go.

See, unlike many folks, I'm relatively well off and so can afford the pointless ####### and fees of petty bureaucrats. The fiance visa is done and now it's on to more repetitive, pointless bullshit... for several years.

Once it's over and the fiends are no longer a threat to us, I'll continue on and fight them any which way I can figure out how. So who here is offering real support? You and your hypocritical "Members support members" where in you've suggested alternately drugging me or kicking me out of my country... or me, someone who has had enough of INS bullcrap and will go on to raise bloody hell about it so that in the future, maybe people won't be faced with years of pointless, reptitive and ever more expensive shyte?

[featherB 1]

Thanks, Feather. You've answered some questions already... I'm gonna have to provide duplicates. My other questions are probably local quirks only Joy can answer such as can we just do the fingerprints and send them in?

Fiance & I are going to California and then on a month long honeymoon visiting family and such. I don't want to miss an appointment to get her fingerprints done (again, they were done in Finland already).

Oh, what the heck is a 'lock box'? There appears to be two addresses to send the status adjustment form... I remember the Lincoln, Nebraska address but now there is a 'lock box' to send it to in an entirely different city.

The work permit is free now but that application gives a different address from the AoS application... I'm afraid they'll bounce it back if I don't include a fee.

It doesn't have to be like this.

Yeah, maybe you need to speak to the lovely Joy, then... usually there is some flexibility with biometrics appointments (eg, if you can't make the date/time on your notice, you can ask for a new appointment or show up on a specified day when they do 'walk-in' appointments), but if you just fail to show up altogether, your wife might be considered to have abandoned her AOS. Which you obviously don't want to happen. I actually went to have my biometrics done at an entirely different office to the one I was supposed to go to - I thought this would be a major hassle to arrange, but it was actually no problem at all, I went to an Infopass at my local office and they just told me to bring the biometrics notice (from the other office)... however, such an approach won't be so useful if your appointment letter is sitting in Anchorage while you're honeymooning in California. Hopefully 'Joy' will be able to suggest something... (only other thing I can think of is a mid-honeymoon Infopass to see if you've been given a biometrics appointment in Anchorage, if the IOs in the local offices can see that kind of info... which I think they can. Not very romantic and honeymoon-y, but it might work...).

AOS forum here...

(Edited to add... I might well be wrong, but I don't think you can just get the fingerprints done and send them in anymore. But going for biometrics somewhere in CA, or waiting 'til you get back from honeymoon might just be possible... am assuming you don't want to wait to file the AOS stuff until after you get back...)

Edited September 14, 2007 by featherB

[Sinergy 3]

Members support members in this group. The OP offers no support. Instead, the OP offers screams and tears for the shoulders of others without contributing so much as a timeline to the group. Even the tears and screams are irrational. The first advice was the best. Zanex or something stronger.

You might try reading for comprehension. Go on, give it a go.

See, unlike many folks, I'm relatively well off and so can afford the pointless ####### and fees of petty bureaucrats. The fiance visa is done and now it's on to more repetitive, pointless bullshit... for several years.

Once it's over and the fiends are no longer a threat to us, I'll continue on and fight them any which way I can figure out how. So who here is offering real support? You and your hypocritical "Members support members" where in you've suggested alternately drugging me or kicking me out of my country... or me, someone who has had enough of INS bullcrap and will go on to raise bloody hell about it so that in the future, maybe people won't be faced with years of pointless, reptitive and ever more expensive shyte?

you have support if your not insulting and attacking members left and right, if you want to insult and attack, then you wont find much support here

[rakkaus 0]

Dude. Take a deep breath.

Now count your blessings: You already have your NOA2 in hand -- read the "waiting for an NOA2" threads to see how long they're taking now, with agents apparently handling other petitions first since NOA2's can technically take 6 months. You're sponsoring someone from Finland (woo hoo ) which is one of the lowest-fraud consulates on Earth, so you can reasonably hope that you won't be stuck on Administrative Review for years on end.

Do I feel wistful when I hear old-timers talk about going through Customs and saying "Anything to declare? Just *her*" and basically getting a green card on the spot? Of course! But it is what it is, and I figure I should just be thankful if I can eventually bring my fiancee here.

Good luck with the process, and best wishes for you and your Finnish love.

[no name 1]

You might try reading for comprehension. Go on, give it a go.

See, unlike many folks, I'm relatively well off and so can afford the pointless ####### and fees of petty bureaucrats. The fiance visa is done and now it's on to more repetitive, pointless bullshit... for several years.

Once it's over and the fiends are no longer a threat to us, I'll continue on and fight them any which way I can figure out how. So who here is offering real support? You and your hypocritical "Members support members" where in you've suggested alternately drugging me or kicking me out of my country... or me, someone who has had enough of INS bullcrap and will go on to raise bloody hell about it so that in the future, maybe people won't be faced with years of pointless, reptitive and ever more expensive shyte?

You came on here (joined TODAY, I might add), insulted ALL of us, and the INS ( ). How dare the govt infringe on your rights, etc, etc.

Now you tell us you are rich & don't care about fees. You say you can't be bothered with this ####### & yet, you have done no research except what happened 10 years ago.

People have tried to help you, even tho you are coming across in a very unpleasant way.

One might not have to wonder too much why your first overseas marriage didn't work....

[alaskaone 0]

you have support if your not insulting and attacking members left and right, if you want to insult and attack, then you wont find much support here

Ion, it was not me who lobbed the first dung ball.

Thanks, Rakkus.

[Mags 112]

Final request for the personal attacks to stop. Any more and I'm afraid this topic will get a lovely little padlock on it.

[AmericanGentleman 0]

I look at the OP's complaint objectively. First, it was a different world 30 years ago. There was alot more integrity in both marriage and immigration. Over the past 30 years, the original system was progessively abused until we have what we have today, a system to ensure a relationship is valid by testing it over a period of roughly a year's worth of beaurocracy. Most people 30 years ago would not even think to try to bamboozle the government on immigration, but today, if given the chance, countless people who be selling marriges to foriegners if it were made easy as the OP suggests. I do not like waiting any more than the rest of you, but i see why we have to do it and accept it.

As for the increase of fee's, this is probably mainly due to the INS (now DHS) goign from paper to digital. I am more than willing to help pay this fee so couple that come after me can have a more expedited process and be together sooner. I look at it as a small sacrifice to create a better legacy for those who follow.

[featherB 1]

Final request for the personal attacks to stop. Any more and I'm afraid this topic will get a lovely little padlock on it.

Could the AOS-y stuff get split into the AOS forum, mebbe? (Or would that create a big thread-splitting mess?)

[Sinergy 3]

you have support if your not insulting and attacking members left and right, if you want to insult and attack, then you wont find much support here

Ion, it was not me who lobbed the first dung ball.

Thanks, Rakkus.

i read the posts, and i saw you insult horribly. If you can remember that INS is not out to punish you, bc lets face it, they have no clue nor care who you or i or anyone else filing is, then a heck of alot better off you will be in the remaining of your process

and please fill in your timeline

your posting

"That's how it is and it's not going to change."

Says you. What a cowardly attitude. Put up or shut up? Do you want photos of the building, sweetie? Photos of the people inside the building, darling? It's the same building and the same people. I went through this whole damnable process ten years ago and in the decade past it's only gotten worse and ten times the cost in money and bloody pointless paperwork.

You want to bend over and lube up, fine. I've got to do the same thing but the difference between us appears to be that you like it and I don't. It's precisely your sort of attitude that has allowed the feds to spiral so far out of control.

They work for us. We do not work for them. How dare you forget that.

[no name 1]

you have support if your not insulting and attacking members left and right, if you want to insult and attack, then you wont find much support here

Ion, it was not me who lobbed the first dung ball.

Thanks, Rakkus.

Really? What is this?

We are required to beg and bribe and perform leaps through burning loops of red tape... why? Why do we allow this? Why do we tolerate it? Why are we meekly complying with it?

As the INS thug behind the bullet proof glass in the Anchorage office so snidely informed me, 30 years ago this ####### did not exist. You got married and when you returned to the states, you informed the feds of that fact. The end. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not but either way, I'm fit to go postal trying to comply with endless, redundant demands.

And now I see they've jacked the price up over 100%. So nice I get to pay out the ears for federal goons to abuse my fiance' and I for years to come. I just cannot express my outrage, my absolute hatred of all things INS. How dare they.

post #3

They are the same jackoffs in the same building no matter what they call themselves. Do you enjoy begging and bribing and doing tricks hoping for permission to marry who you want? You like that, do you?

Edited September 14, 2007 by devilette

[pushbrk 14,106]

Members support members in this group. The OP offers no support. Instead, the OP offers screams and tears for the shoulders of others without contributing so much as a timeline to the group. Even the tears and screams are irrational. The first advice was the best. Zanex or something stronger.

You might try reading for comprehension. Go on, give it a go.

See, unlike many folks, I'm relatively well off and so can afford the pointless ####### and fees of petty bureaucrats. The fiance visa is done and now it's on to more repetitive, pointless bullshit... for several years.

Once it's over and the fiends are no longer a threat to us, I'll continue on and fight them any which way I can figure out how. So who here is offering real support? You and your hypocritical "Members support members" where in you've suggested alternately drugging me or kicking me out of my country... or me, someone who has had enough of INS bullcrap and will go on to raise bloody hell about it so that in the future, maybe people won't be faced with years of pointless, reptitive and ever more expensive shyte?

Perhaps you should try reading for comprehension. I suggested you drug yourself and/or voluntarily live somewhere you would be happier. Both recommendations stand but nobody is going to "drug you or kick you out of your country". This kind of irrational overreaction is likely the genesis of your vitriol. In any event, this is not the place to continue to spew it.