Elvira Arellano deported, Chicago pastor says

[smoke20 0]

I am really quite dismayed at how words are twisted to mean that ANYONE here relishes anyone's personal suffering. It's unfair to the whole argument...and it's really incorrect anyways. Can we possibly not shadow box a point that NO ONE has made?

So for the sake of clarity:

NO ONE HERE is relishing a human's suffering...those happy with the deportation are happy for the fact that the system FINALLY worked in this case. No one here is dancing the jig because she's separated from her son.

Please no more preachy preachy stuff about how people are all heartless b@stards because we're happy that the laws were actually enforced.

SSDD Lisad im use to it.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

There seems to be a lot of people from Caaaaaaaaanada who talk about compassion and so on. Why doesn't Canada take them all in, considering Canadians are so compassionate?? Why is it the US has to be unicef and world police while everyone else sits on their ###; Including the Mexican government. The number of illegal immigrants here equates to 1/3 of Canada's population..

PS what about the 45,000,000 Americans living in poverty. Or do they not count because they are Americans?? My compassion lies for Americans and not Mexico. Every country has it's problems. It is time Mexico steps up to the plate and deals with their own poor rather than exporting it elsewhere..

My dear Boo-Yah! :I am not Canadian.- what the Canadian government and the Canadian people do is their business. Yes, my government HAS to do more for its citizens, agreed. And of course the people living in poverty in the US count! Totally! There should be more efforts made for them, more funding fore quality schooling, work equity, advancement of all (no Child Left Behind BS rhetoric)- again, agreed.

I don't see the point in attacking people or their ideas - that is what small people do - and I don't think you are one. My compassion is for ALL human beings - maybe we don't see eye to eye on that - but I see your point, and respect it.

Peace, L.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I am really quite dismayed at how words are twisted to mean that ANYONE here relishes anyone's personal suffering. It's unfair to the whole argument...and it's really incorrect anyways. Can we possibly not shadow box a point that NO ONE has made?

So for the sake of clarity:

NO ONE HERE is relishing a human's suffering...those happy with the deportation are happy for the fact that the system FINALLY worked in this case. No one here is dancing the jig because she's separated from her son.

Please no more preachy preachy stuff about how people are all heartless b@stards because we're happy that the laws were actually enforced.

LisaD,

I am not preaching - sorry if you took it that way. I expressly said that laws are to be followed and that Elvira should suffer the consequences. And never called anyone a heartless b@stard: that is not my style. So please, do not put words in my mouth.

Best always, L.

[mawilson 2,133]

My dear Boo-Yah! :I am not Canadian.- what the Canadian government and the Canadian people do is their business.

Why does your profile say you are then?

From Edmonton, Alberta, yet your local office is Montreal???

[Charuhans 0]

While we engage in a heated debate the woman would have crossed over again in the US. I mean whats there to stop her, she did it before and all the authorities can do is send her back again if they catch up with her again. She will have the last laugh ....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Is it possible that she could not take her son? OK, he's a USC so he does not need a visa to Mexica, but (I don't know the original story) - may be there was no permission from the father, or something else?

If I remember correctly from the earlier reporting, she has - for whatever reason - thus far kept the father of her child anonymus. No permission needed then.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Why does your profile say you are then?

From Edmonton, Alberta, yet your local office is Montreal???

Off topic in off topic mawilson, but here it goes: we are both academics, tenure tracking in 2 different higher education institutions. Doing Direct Consular Filing. So yes, our location is Edmonton, our office is Montreal.

Peace, L.

[Marilyn. 340]

My dear Boo-Yah! :I am not Canadian.- what the Canadian government and the Canadian people do is their business.

Why does your profile say you are then?

From Edmonton, Alberta, yet your local office is Montreal???

because Montreal is the only consulate in Canada that handles Cr1/IR1 visas and DCF's...

[Fandango 1,440]

LisaD,

I am not preaching - sorry if you took it that way. I expressly said that laws are to be followed and that Elvira should suffer the consequences. And never called anyone a heartless b@stard: that is not my style. So please, do not put words in my mouth.

Best always, L.

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically L....just the general tone of responses.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically L....just the general tone of responses.

Okiedokie just wanted to clear the air my friend!

Peace, L.

[JVKn'CVO 11]

I remember reading a similar story a few months back, where the parents were deported but they decided to leave their kids in the US to "give them a chance of a better life"

sad, sad, sad situation

and a lot of lack of common sense from parents

Caro

[almaty 19]

I remember reading a similar story a few months back, where the parents were deported but they decided to leave their kids in the US to "give them a chance of a better life"

sad, sad, sad situation

and a lot of lack of common sense from parents

Caro

i agree sister caro..it is sad...

[perfect 39]

The story says that she arrived in Washington state illegally in 1997 - 2 years before the child was born. She was deported to Mexico shortly afterward, - so she had already been deported once before she ever got pregnant with this poor child.

Looking at the timeline which says that she returned to the US and then moved to Illinois in 2000 (when the child was perhaps 1-2 years old), there seems to be more than a passing likelihood that this child has a father in Mexico. Maybe that's why she is not mentioning who or where the father, is as she knows this would perhaps make some people less sympathetic. It owuld certainly be interesting to know exactly how that timeline looks.

One would have to question why you would have a child in this situation and why having done so, you would expose it to all that she has in his short lifetime.

[peejay 327]

I think the main crux to comprehend in the "anchor baby" movement is that these people would have us all believe that these kids are somehow being marched to their death or to great harm if mama and/or daddy are deported for breaking our immigration laws. Nevermind that millions of babies are born all over the world and survive quite well without the USA.

And for the Mexican government to get on their indignant high horse and spew vitriol at the USA for deporting illegal aliens (something the Mexican government has no problems doing to foreigners illegally in their country) is beyond words. Especially when these same government officials do little to help the plight of their own people. It seems that they only show concern for their own people when they won't be able to send remittances back to Mexico anymore. Then they whine about ill treatment of their citizens at the hands of the Americanos. Pure bullsh*t!

So why isn't the Mexican government helping poor Elvira so she can provide for her son in Mexico? The silence is deafening!

My dear peejay: Ever been to Mexico? And by Mexico I do not mean Cancun or Acapulco. I lived there for most of my life and I am aware of the issues MY country faces. Nor government or the people are for illegal immigration at all, and they do what they can. Is it enough? Hell no! Could they/should they do better for my fellow citizens? You betcha. Should they increase social service spending, education, training, etc? Absofkkkinlutely - as much as the next country should (instead of say, spending exorbitant money on defense and armory and let low income housing go the way of the Dodo bird). But DON'T give me the "they only thing they care for is remittances from abroad": that is below the belt my friend, and you are a smart person peejay.

The silence is NOT deafening. I am here, speaking up - my government should definitely make more to help not only Elvira, but all women/men/children in her position to be able to have a better life in their own country. Does that mean I am going to join a lynching mob actually clapping at human misery? (in any form it takes). Hell no. Not as an academic, not as an immigrant, not as a woman, not as a human being. I do not relish on people's suffering. I am not advocating for Elvira's re admittance to the US - she broke the law and has to pay the price accordingly. But I am not about to call children names (i.e. anchor babies) and pretend they do not exist or don't matter. It would be equivalent to say that some people -say the members of the GLBTQ community- are less human than heterosexuals and hence deserve less protection from the law. Anchor baby... man, that's sad.

We are an immigration forum, we all go through this horrendous, strenuous, invasive and nerve-wracking process. This makes our tempers flare with ease, since we are doing it the legal way - I get that. But my God! Let's give space for compassion. Not "amnesty for all", just human compassion. Let's do away with ethnic, personal, cultural attacks on this forum -- we are here for help (for ourselves and others). Shall we? (and no, I am not attacking freedom of speech, just moving for all of us to reflect on our compassion levels, me included).

Peace, L.

Well...you certainly lit up my a$$. However, I stand by what I said.

You would have to be very naive or ignore the obvious if you really think a lot of these folks aren't having these kids in the US to anchor themselves from being deported for breaking the law. Not to mention that the social benefits in the USA are a veritable cornucopia when compared to Mexico's.

It is real easy to get up on a the moral high ground when it doesn't cost you personally or you don't personally have to be responsible for making high minded statements. To insinuate that it is the moral responsibility for the USA to care, feed, and support the whole world because it is the right thing to do just flies in the face of practical reality.

Unless you live the life of Mother Theresa, you really have no right to insinuate that others are inconsiderate a$$holes because they refuse to bankrupt themselves or their country to save the world. There is a whole lot of personal responsibility going on here and it it rather bogus to shift the blame or assign guilt trips to others that are not the root cause.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Well...you certainly lit up my a$$. However, I stand by what I said.

You would have to be very naive or ignore the obvious if you really think a lot of these folks aren't having these kids in the US to anchor themselves from being deported for breaking the law. Not to mention that the social benefits in the USA are a veritable cornucopia when compared to Mexico's.

It is real easy to get up on a the moral high ground when it doesn't cost you personally or you don't personally have to be responsible for making high minded statements. To insinuate that it is the moral responsibility for the USA to care, feed, and support the whole world because it is the right thing to do just flies in the face of practical reality.

Unless you live the life of Mother Theresa, you really have no right to insinuate that others are inconsiderate a$$holes because they refuse to bankrupt themselves or their country to save the world. There is a whole lot of personal responsibility going on here and it it rather bogus to shift the blame or assign guilt trips to others that are not the root cause.

peejay, I had no intentions of insulting you, so please don't do it back my friend - if you read my posts, you can see I do not engage in personal attacks. I am not on a moral high ground by any means, and nowhere did I say it was the US responsibility to look over the whole world, neither do I believe that. I did not call anyone an inconsiderate anything.

You should stand by what you said, absolutely - and I respect that wholeheartedly. Your convictions are your convictions, mine are mine. And believe me, I am no Mother Theresa.- but I do have compassion for people who are in less fortunate situations than my own: wherever and whoever they are.

Peace, L.

p.s. the reasons why people reproduce are really none of my business - I am childless by choice.