Remember the USS LIBERTY June 8, 1967

[Nikita2Charles 33]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6666495.stm

[Ban Hammer 14,291]

I am not suprise, The Jews contol washington, the US diamond in NY, it's a very seclusive society. If anybody says anything critical of Israel Automaticaly the BANDWAGON will come down on you as ANTI SEMITE, through the control of the media and various form, they will try to SHUT UP whatever criticism people have against them, from the way the Palestinian are being handle, you would think a nation or people that went through the horrible pain of Concentration Camp by the Nazis, they would be more considerate to people who are oppress, Like this Jewish anti war activist mention, they Jewish people know only one thing to Opress people or be opress, hard to find a balance.

Just take a look at the last recent conflict in Lebanon, It was not the 1st time that IDF made prisoner exchange with Hezbollah, they have done is in the past, and this time around they went deep inside Lebanon territory on a military incusion, there was a battle and through that, they got trapped and 8 prisoners were taken hostages by Hezbollah, then THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE STARTED

To listen to the radio and the news, HEZBOLLAH invaded ISRAEL and capture the soliers INSIDE ISRAEL territory, BUNCH OF LIES, and ALL THE MEDIA OUTLETS follow the Bandwagon without doing their homework by repeating those same lies.

EVEN if the facts are out, NOBODY would make it out if there's anything critical of Israel as lot of folks beleive THEY CAN"T DO NO WRONG

funny how you sound anti-semitic

Edited June 11, 2007 by charlesandnessa

[Saddle Bronc 124]

It was a tragic case of friendly fire occurring in the fog of war. Israel apologized and paid

compensation to its victims. Case closed.

Seriously, get over it already.

LOL I could have written your response myself. No surprise there!

Friendly fire incidents are almost always VERY short in duration. ie One plane making a pass over a target and dropping it's ordinance in the wrong spot. or One missile being fired at a misidentified target such as the USS Stark or the USS Vincennes where the targets are OUT OF VISUAL range!!!!

The Israeli's were close enough to fire at our sailors when they went out on deck and tried to abandon ship!!

They even machine gunned the life rafts in the water!!!

Accidents don't take place for 75 MINUTES!! Unless it's Israel becoz they can do NO wrong? According to some who have their head in the sand...

A December 1971 friendly-fire incident at Chittagong took over 35 minutes (Indian Navy aircraft strafing a pair of Mukti Bahini gunboats)

I doubt you've ever even read the facts. You just accept Israel's excuse...and say our sailors are lying??

Do you have knowledge that the people below don't know about???

"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."

-- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk

"...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."

-- CIA Director Richard Helms

That the attack was deliberate "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the National Security Agency

-- Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom on 3 March 2003

"I have never believed that the attack on the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. That is ridiculous. Israel knew perfectly well that the ship was American."

-- Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

"To suggest that they [the IDF] couldn't identify the ship is ... ridiculous. ... Anybody who could not identify the Liberty could not tell the difference between the White House and the Washington Monument."

-- Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

"That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable"

-- Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson

"The attack was clearly deliberate."

-- General Marshall Carter, former director, National Security Agency

"I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that they knew they were attacking an American ship."

-- Oliver Kirby, former deputy director for operations/production, National Security Agency. Kirby participated in NSA's investigation of the attack and reviewed translations of intercepted communications between pilots and their headquarters which he reports show conclusively that they knew their target was an American ship.

On the strength of intercept transcripts of pilots' conversations during the attack, the question of the attack's deliberateness "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the agency.

-- Lieutenant General William E. Odom, former director, National Security Agency, interview with David Walsh on March 3, 2003, reported in Naval Institute Proceedings, June, 2003

Why won't they release the radio intercepts of the Israeli pilots? People who were there and heard their communication have stated they identified the Liberty as an American ship!!!

But the US Government might as well be in the paid service of Israel. They hardly utter a criticism of Israel even after they murder of own troops!! What a disgrace

You say "get over it already" Would you say that to 9-11 families?? To the families who lost fathers or sons it's the same except USS Liberty families have never had an ounce of Justice and have been thrown in the trash bin of history to be forgotten.

Also, have you ever actually flown inside a Mystere--since you are assuming that it would be quite easy to identify right or wrong targets in a combat zone from one? I actually have gone in a (then retired) Mystere trainer in 1976--and concluded that it would be quite difficult.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

This is what the Senior Legal Counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry’s investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty had to say about it:

Declaration of Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)

I, Ward Boston, Jr. do declare that the following statement is true and complete:

For more than 30 years, I have remained silent on the topic of USS Liberty. I am a military man and when orders come in from the Secretary of Defense and President of the United States, I follow them.

However, recent attempts to rewrite history compel me to share the truth.

In June of 1967, while serving as a Captain in the Judge Advocate General Corps, Department of the Navy, I was assigned as senior legal counsel for the Navy’s Court of Inquiry into the brutal attack on USS Liberty, which had occurred on June 8th.

The late Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, president of the Court, and I were given only one week to gather evidence for the Navy’s official investigation into the attack, despite the fact that we both had estimated that a proper Court of Inquiry into an attack of this magnitude would take at least six months to conduct.

Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., then Commander-in-chief, Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR), at his headquarters in London, had charged Admiral Kidd (in a letter dated June 10, 1967) to “inquire into all the pertinent facts and circumstances leading to and connected with the armed attack; damage resulting therefrom; and deaths of and injuries to Naval personnel.”

Despite the short amount of time we were given, we gathered a vast amount of evidence, including hours of heartbreaking testimony from the young survivors.

The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as “murderous bastards.” It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident.

I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors, who had ordered the attack, were well aware that the ship was American.

I saw the flag, which had visibly identified the ship as American, riddled with bullet holes, and heard testimony that made it clear that the Israelis intended there be no survivors.

Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded—a war crime.

Admiral Kidd and I both felt it necessary to travel to Israel to interview the Israelis who took part in the attack. Admiral Kidd telephoned Admiral McCain to discuss making arrangements. Admiral Kidd later told me that Admiral McCain was adamant that we were not to travel to Israel or contact the Israelis concerning this matter.

Regrettably, we did not receive into evidence and the Court did not consider any of the more than sixty witness declarations from men who had been hospitalized and were unable to testify in person.

I am outraged at the efforts of the apologists for Israel in this country to claim that this attack was a case of “mistaken identity.”

In particular, the recent publication of Jay Cristol’s book, The Liberty Incident, twists the facts and misrepresents the views of those of us who investigated the attack.

It is Cristol’s insidious attempt to whitewash the facts that has pushed me to speak out.

I know from personal conversations I had with Admiral Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of “mistaken identity” despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Admiral Kidd told me, after returning from Washington, D.C. that he had been ordered to sit down with two civilians from either the White House or the Defense Department, and rewrite portions of the court’s findings.

Admiral Kidd also told me that he had been ordered to “put the lid” on everything having to do with the attack on USS Liberty. We were never to speak of it and we were to caution everyone else involved that they could never speak of it again.

I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of that statement as I know that the Court of Inquiry transcript that has been released to the public is not the same one that I certified and sent off to Washington.

I know this because it was necessary, due to the exigencies of time, to hand correct and initial a substantial number of pages. I have examined the released version of the transcript and I did not see any pages that bore my hand corrections and initials. Also, the original did not have any deliberately blank pages, as the released version does. Finally, the testimony of Lt. Painter concerning the deliberate machine gunning of the life rafts by the Israeli torpedo boat crews, which I distinctly recall being given at the Court of Inquiry and included in the original transcript, is now missing and has been excised.

Following the conclusion of the Court of Inquiry, Admiral Kidd and I remained in contact. Though we never spoke of the attack in public, we did discuss it between ourselves, on occasion. Every time we discussed the attack, Admiral Kidd was adamant that it was a deliberate, planned attack on an American ship.

In 1990, I received a telephone call from Jay Cristol, who wanted to interview me concerning the functioning of the Court of Inquiry. I told him that I would not speak to him on that subject and prepared to hang up the telephone. Cristol then began asking me about my personal background and other, non-Court of Inquiry related matters. I endeavored to answer these questions and politely extricate myself from the conversation. Cristol continued to return to the subject of the Court of Inquiry, which I refused to discuss with him. Finally, I suggested that he contact Admiral Kidd and ask him about the Court of Inquiry.

Shortly after my conversation with Cristol, I received a telephone call from Admiral Kidd, inquiring about Cristol and what he was up to. The Admiral spoke of Cristol in disparaging terms and even opined that “Cristol must be an Israeli agent.” I don’t know if he meant that literally or it was his way of expressing his disgust for Cristol’s highly partisan, pro-Israeli approach to questions involving USS Liberty.

At no time did I ever hear Admiral Kidd speak of Cristol other than in highly disparaging terms. I find Cristol’s claims of a “close friendship” with Admiral Kidd to be utterly incredible. I also find it impossible to believe the statements he attributes to Admiral Kidd, concerning the attack on USS Liberty.

Several years later, I received a letter from Cristol that contained what he purported to be his notes of our prior conversation. These “notes” were grossly incorrect and bore no resemblance in reality to that discussion. I find it hard to believe that these “notes” were the product of a mistake, rather than an attempt to deceive. I informed Cristol that I disagreed with his recollection of our conversation and that he was wrong. Cristol made several attempts to arrange for the two of us to meet in person and talk but I always found ways to avoid doing this. I did not wish to meet with Cristol as we had nothing in common and I did not trust him.

Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious conclusion for many years.

Dated: Jan. 9, 2004 at Coronado, California.

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/

[Robor007 0]

I am not suprise, The Jews contol washington, the US diamond in NY, it's a very seclusive society. If anybody says anything critical of Israel Automaticaly the BANDWAGON will come down on you as ANTI SEMITE, through the control of the media and various form, they will try to SHUT UP whatever criticism people have against them, from the way the Palestinian are being handle, you would think a nation or people that went through the horrible pain of Concentration Camp by the Nazis, they would be more considerate to people who are oppress, Like this Jewish anti war activist mention, they Jewish people know only one thing to Opress people or be opress, hard to find a balance.

Just take a look at the last recent conflict in Lebanon, It was not the 1st time that IDF made prisoner exchange with Hezbollah, they have done is in the past, and this time around they went deep inside Lebanon territory on a military incusion, there was a battle and through that, they got trapped and 8 prisoners were taken hostages by Hezbollah, then THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE STARTED

To listen to the radio and the news, HEZBOLLAH invaded ISRAEL and capture the soliers INSIDE ISRAEL territory, BUNCH OF LIES, and ALL THE MEDIA OUTLETS follow the Bandwagon without doing their homework by repeating those same lies.

EVEN if the facts are out, NOBODY would make it out if there's anything critical of Israel as lot of folks beleive THEY CAN"T DO NO WRONG

Is that you, Mel?

[malsolo 0]

One can support the right to a Jewish homeland, and still be critical of them when they are in the wrong. As in shooting at life boats, Egyptian or American. It seems like a little criticism is pretty light compared to what God did when he got pissed off at them. ( 40 years in the desert anyone? )

[William33 110]

This was " US Covert Intelligence Collection and Hostile Foreign Response" action. Wrong as it was, most of the detail will always remain classified. This relationship has done a complete 180.

Time to put it behind us.