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Hi Guys,

 

I wonder if this happened before.

 

1, If both your I-751 and N-400 approved on the same day. And the USCIS is NOT going to produce your  10 years green card, you will only go to ceremony with your 2 years expired green card + 1 year extension letter + oath ceremony letter. Is that OK? Because I know, they will ask you to return the green card, what if I don't have 10 years GC?

 

Both my case were approved on the same day, and USCIS officer said they might not produce my 10 years GC, and I just called it's not been produced yet.

 

 

2, Since there is no update about my case online, the officer told me that they already mailed the decision letter to me on Jul 12. However, its been 3 weeks, i have not received yet. Does this make sense? Usually, how long does it take?

 

 

Thank you so much and have a nice day!

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This makes sense to me. I mean why do you need your perm 10 year card if you are going to be a citizen. Once you are a citizen you can just apply for jobs with your DL and SSN and possibly the Certificate of Citizenship but i doubt thats necessary unless you are applying for a GOV job. 

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1 minute ago, jakartausa said:

This makes sense to me. I mean why do you need your perm 10 year card if you are going to be a citizen. Once you are a citizen you can just apply for jobs with your DL and SSN and possibly the Certificate of Citizenship but i doubt thats necessary unless you are applying for a GOV job. 

thank you for your reply. But my concern is we have  to return our green card when we go to the oath ceremony, so IF i don't receive my 10 years GC, how can I return it at the ceremony. They may ask for that.

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7 minutes ago, Sam_111 said:

thank you for your reply. But my concern is we have  to return our green card when we go to the oath ceremony, so IF i don't receive my 10 years GC, how can I return it at the ceremony. They may ask for that.

I think that wont be an issue. If you dont have it you dont have it. You can just tell them that you have not received it yet. I presume it becomes Void anyways once you take the oath of citizenship,  so i doubt they will make a fuss. I mean think of it this way, they cannot accuse you of deception in regards to that which you don't have when they themselves likely have no proof that it arrived.I mean if you have some form of tracking number proof you can provide that or maybe the customer service at USCIS can send you an email stating you called and conferred with them that it did NOT arrive yet in your mail box but short of that you cannot do anything but attend the oath ceremony and tell the truth - "You dont have it, it never arrived in my mail box and I did A, B or C to track it down without success". Im sure they will understand. 

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35 minutes ago, jakartausa said:

I think that wont be an issue. If you dont have it you dont have it. You can just tell them that you have not received it yet. I presume it becomes Void anyways once you take the oath of citizenship,  so i doubt they will make a fuss. I mean think of it this way, they cannot accuse you of deception in regards to that which you don't have when they themselves likely have no proof that it arrived.I mean if you have some form of tracking number proof you can provide that or maybe the customer service at USCIS can send you an email stating you called and conferred with them that it did NOT arrive yet in your mail box but short of that you cannot do anything but attend the oath ceremony and tell the truth - "You dont have it, it never arrived in my mail box and I did A, B or C to track it down without success". Im sure they will understand. 

thank you, hope everything will be fine

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It is a bit like mugging a homeless person...how can you hand over something you don't have? 

 

You are making too much of this and it will not be an issue.

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5 hours ago, Sam_111 said:

Hi Guys,

 

I wonder if this happened before.

 

1, If both your I-751 and N-400 approved on the same day. And the USCIS is NOT going to produce your  10 years green card, you will only go to ceremony with your 2 years expired green card + 1 year extension letter + oath ceremony letter. Is that OK? Because I know, they will ask you to return the green card, what if I don't have 10 years GC?

 

Both my case were approved on the same day, and USCIS officer said they might not produce my 10 years GC, and I just called it's not been produced yet.

 

 

2, Since there is no update about my case online, the officer told me that they already mailed the decision letter to me on Jul 12. However, its been 3 weeks, i have not received yet. Does this make sense? Usually, how long does it take?

 

 

Thank you so much and have a nice day!

Good luck and I hope everything is going to be okay. When is your oath ceremony? you might get your the decision letter before the oath ceremony if not you can tell them you don't have it. You would need to take your expired GC and supporting letters. Keep us updated about your process, thanks 

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10 minutes ago, Name O Boy said:

Good luck and I hope everything is going to be okay. When is your oath ceremony? you might get your the decision letter before the oath ceremony if not you can tell them you don't have it. You would need to take your expired GC and supporting letters. Keep us updated about your process, thanks 

i dont know the oath ceremony letter yet, bc i have not even received the decision letter. They said its mailed on Jul 12, but I have not received it. I GUESS the oath ceremony letter and decision letter would be 2 separate letters, right? what do u mean by supporting letters? thank you

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2 hours ago, Sam_111 said:

i dont know the oath ceremony letter yet, bc i have not even received the decision letter. They said its mailed on Jul 12, but I have not received it. I GUESS the oath ceremony letter and decision letter would be 2 separate letters, right? what do u mean by supporting letters? thank you

Do you have the online account for naturalization ? you can check your status there and contact USCIS if you did not recieve any kind of approval letters after your N-400 interview. Supporting letters means your all NOA since you applied for ROC. What is your timeline? Kindly share with us so we get an idea abouyt your process, it would be helpful, Thanks 

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19 hours ago, Sam_111 said:

thank you for your reply. But my concern is we have  to return our green card when we go to the oath ceremony, so IF i don't receive my 10 years GC, how can I return it at the ceremony. They may ask for that.

Don't you think they will know that you were never issued the 10 year card? 

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You situation is similar to Harmonia's. This is how her husband did his oath ceremony with a I-551 stamp. I guess if your 1 yr extension is still valid, you go to oath with expired GC+1 yr extension.

 

 

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