The US police officer 'who shot an Australian woman, 40, dead' in her pyjamas while his body camera was switched off

[Boiler 47,526]

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

so, let's not speculate as to if we should sympathize with the dead lady but it's cool to speculate if she was legally present in the us. hillary still has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Sorry missed a few posts, having a sandwich with a Marine Vet friend of mine.

 

PS Best not to mention Hillary to him.

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

PS Best not to mention Hillary to him.

cool, hope you can remember.

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10 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Or you could be logical and not draw conclusions or sympathize with either side until the facts are out 

I think it's quite logical to sympathize with someone who has died. If the facts come out later show that she did something wrong first, so be it. But regardless she is dead and I think it's reasonable to sympathize.

 

I feel like we've had this discussion before.

[Boiler 47,526]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

cool, hope you can remember.

 

[IAMX 3,055]

15 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Or you could be logical and not draw conclusions or sympathize with either side until the facts are out 

You insensitive monster.

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

21 minutes ago, bcking said:

I think it's quite logical to sympathize with someone who has died. If the facts come out later show that she did something wrong first, so be it. But regardless she is dead and I think it's reasonable to sympathize.

 

I feel like we've had this discussion before.

You are falsely re remembering  something 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, bcking said:

Selective quoting is a beautiful thing.

 

"With all due respect, the fact is, we had four dead Americans! Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again."

 

With the actual quote it is clear her point was that 4 Americans died. It doesn't matter if they died due to a protest, or because some random people decided to kill Americans. They died either way and their deaths are what is important.

 

When you only quote a single sentence you leave out the subject of the word "it". The subject is pretty clearly the cause of the event, not the loss of American lives. You also leave out her concluding statement.

 

It's sad that this sort of thing has to be explained...

 

EDIT:

Also, for the record, the only person calling marines "trash" here is the person who made that meme. 

 

Also, the meme really poorly utilizes a simile (by "really poorly" I mean incorrectly). What does "left to die like trash" even mean? You don't leave trash out to die. Trash isn't living. A common simile involving trash is when something is "discarded like trash". But not "left to die". Once again it is really sad that people need this explained.

Just for the record it was not a protest or a group of people out for a walk. It was an organized  attack by a terrorist group 

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3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

You are falsely re remembering  something 

 

I'm actually not, but we can just leave it at that.

 

I'm quite okay with sympathizing with someone who died when I have almost no information. I'd rather default to that than default to "well they had it coming". I'm quite happy to do so. You can handle things differently if you prefer.

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4 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Just for the record it was not a protest or a group of people out for a walk. It was an organized  attack by a terrorist group 

I'm not going to bother requoting (fully) Hillary in this instance...don't think it would do much good. Sadly, that has nothing to do with the quote itself.

Edited July 17, 2017 by bcking

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

21 minutes ago, bcking said:

I'm actually not, but we can just leave it at that.

 

I'm quite okay with sympathizing with someone who died when I have almost no information. I'd rather default to that than default to "well they had it coming". I'm quite happy to do so. You can handle things differently if you prefer.

but why would a logical person default to any stance until the facts are known. Totally illogical . You are saying that may change later as more facts are known, so you are saying you could change your position, which means you do have a position but no facts. However its the way the MDL rolls 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

22 minutes ago, bcking said:

I'm not going to bother requoting (fully) Hillary in this instance...don't think it would do much good. Sadly, that has nothing to do with the quote itself.

but actually it does matter. That is why after every training exercise and military action you have after action reviews. Its standard SOP. You learn from doing and even from the mistakes, so you dont repeat them. People died. It does matter why.  Its like saying a driver plowed into and killed 10 people. Well its done it does not matter now. 

 

More illogical absurdity 

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18 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

but why would a logical person default to any stance until the facts are known. Totally illogical . You are saying that may change later as more facts are known, so you are saying you could change your position, which means you do have a position but no facts. However its the way the MDL rolls 

Facts would have to come out that shows she is a truly evil and twisted person for me to not sympathize with her death.

 

Is she partly responsible being she antagonised a police officer? Maybe. I'll still sympathize with her family over the loss of a loved one. 

 

You can call me "emotional" or a "snowflake". I don't mind. 

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20 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

but actually it does matter. That is why after every training exercise and military action you have after action reviews. Its standard SOP. You learn from doing and even from the mistakes, so you dont repeat them. People died. It does matter why.  Its like saying a driver plowed into and killed 10 people. Well its done it does not matter now. 

 

More illogical absurdity 

Hmmm...your opinion sounds familiar. Almost like someone quite prominent said something similar...

 

"It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again."

- Hillary Clinton

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

33 minutes ago, bcking said:

Facts would have to come out that shows she is a truly evil and twisted person for me to not sympathize with her death.

 

Is she partly responsible being she antagonised a police officer? Maybe. I'll still sympathize with her family over the loss of a loved one. 

 

You can call me "emotional" or a "snowflake". I don't mind. 

So you could change your position based on facts which you dont have any of right now, but choose to take a position with no facts 

I will stick with illogical . 

 

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

33 minutes ago, bcking said:

Hmmm...your opinion sounds familiar. Almost like someone quite prominent said something similar...

 

"It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again."

- Hillary Clinton

 

or what does it matter now anyway. Hillary Clinton. which proves she will say anything or do anything . However this thread is not about Hillary so thats all I have to say about that. Not sure why you are trying to make it about Hillary