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Returning to VJ after a two year break now that it's time for ROC!

 

Question time....

 

My greencard expires on November 6th, so am I correct in thinking the earliest date my ROC application can be received is August 6th?

 

I have a trip to the UK planned from August 30th - September 14th. I haven't been back in two years and I am really excited to visit home again.

 

My questions/concerns....

 

  • Am I risking my biometrics being scheduled during the time I am away based on my filing date if I file as early as possible?
  • Can biometrics be rescheduled if this did happen?
  • If I don't file until I return, will I be allowed back into the country with less than two months remaining on my greencard?

 

What is my best course of action? Thank you.

 

Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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I was in a similar position recently with my filing window opening on June 1. However, we were going to be away June 5-July 5. I learned that USCIS doesn't forward mail, so I couldn't have a biometrics notice forwarded to my in-laws who could then let me know the date and if I'd need to reschedule, and since we had nobody close by to come check our mailbox, I put a hold on our mail and decided it was safer to wait to file until we got back on July 5 (and I literally dropped my suitcase at the door, took the package out of our safe, and ran to the post office). I had been worried that I was leaving it a month into the 90 days, because I have to travel back to Canada for a wedding in September and my GC will be expired by then, but I got my NOA (extension letter to travel) 9 days after I applied for ROC. 

 

I had no problem going to or coming back from Canada less than 2 months before my GC expired. It doesn't seem to be treated like a passport (where you often have to have 6 months validity left to be able to travel). Based

on the timelines of other users in recent months, it is almost definite that if I had filed before our trip, my biometrics would have been scheduled during our trip. If you have someone who can check your mail while you're away and let you know if you get that letter then you can reschedule, there's a box to check on the appointment notice to do so, but if you aren't going out of country again any time soon after your UK trip, and therefore won't need to travel with that extension letter, then I would suggest waiting to file until you get back. Just my two cents!

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1 minute ago, theanswerisdance said:

I was in a similar position recently with my filing window opening on June 1. However, we were going to be away June 5-July 5. I learned that USCIS doesn't forward mail, so I couldn't have a biometrics notice forwarded to my in-laws who could then let me know the date and if I'd need to reschedule, and since we had nobody close by to come check our mailbox, I put a hold on our mail and decided it was safer to wait to file until we got back on July 5 (and I literally dropped my suitcase at the door, took the package out of our safe, and ran to the post office). I had been worried that I was leaving it a month into the 90 days, because I have to travel back to Canada for a wedding in September and my GC will be expired by then, but I got my NOA (extension letter to travel) 9 days after I applied for ROC. 

 

I had no problem going to or coming back from Canada less than 2 months before my GC expired. It doesn't seem to be treated like a passport (where you often have to have 6 months validity left to be able to travel). Based

on the timelines of other users in recent months, it is almost definite that if I had filed before our trip, my biometrics would have been scheduled during our trip. If you have someone who can check your mail while you're away and let you know if you get that letter then you can reschedule, there's a box to check on the appointment notice to do so, but if you aren't going out of country again any time soon after your UK trip, and therefore won't need to travel with that extension letter, then I would suggest waiting to file until you get back. Just my two cents!

Thank you so much for the detailed reply! My husband will be home in my absence and will be checking the mail daily. So would it be safe to file, leave and have him reschedule if necessary? Or does it really make that much difference to just file when I get back? Thank you so much.

Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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Filed: Citizen (pnd) Country: Canada
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I think it depends how fast you want your biometrics done and out of the way. I had a friend who had to reschedule and the new date they sent her was like 3 months later than the original. Then again, with the processing time for the ROC being well over a year right now, I don't know that it will make much difference whether you get your biometrics done next week or three months from now. Someone else might know better than me though. The other thing to consider is if you had a freak accident happen in your case as one of the users on here did recently. Their packet sadly and scarily got opened en route by USPS and arrived at USCIS with (if memory serves me right) their cheque and all their evidence missing, floating somewhere in mail land. So they had to re-file all over again. If some horrible mistake like that happened, does your husband know all the contents of the original package to re-send a duplicate package? Do you have second copies of all the forms requiring original signatures, signed by you and ready to be re-submitted? Etc. etc. My husband is wonderfully gifted in different ways from me :) but he is definitely not type A and organized like I am, and if I had to tell him via skype or FaceTime what to do, what type of mail service to send the new package by, and so on he would be in over his head. But I'm one of those people that always likes to prepare for the worst possible thing even though it almost never happens...and then something like that does happen to somebody on here and it makes me even more paranoid!

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Good advice. Thank you! That example sounds incredibly stressful... praying that doesn't happen to us!

Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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Additional question... what happens if I reach my N-400 eligibility date before I receive my ten year green card? I assume this is likely given the wait period?

 

Married: March 6th 2015

Greencard start date: November 6th 2015

Greencard expiry date: November 6th 2017

 

So.... N-400 would be eligible to be submitted August 8th 2018? Can you submit whilst you're waiting for ROC to be approved?

Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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7 minutes ago, Pheebs1201 said:

Additional question... what happens if I reach my N-400 eligibility date before I receive my ten year green card? I assume this is likely given the wait period?

 

Married: March 6th 2015

Greencard start date: November 6th 2015

Greencard expiry date: November 6th 2017

 

So.... N-400 would be eligible to be submitted August 8th 2018? Can you submit whilst you're waiting for ROC to be approved?

From what I understand, it never used to be an issue that you'd file for N-400 while the ROC was still pending, because ROC took less than a year. Now, with the longer processing times, it seems to be the new norm that your eligibility for filing the N-400 will be reached before your ROC is approved. So yes, you can still file next August even if you haven't been approved for your new 10-year GC yet. 

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Yes, you can file the N-400 as soon as you're eligible... with the long wait times for ROC, we're going to see if they actually follow their own policy and process them both together (since you can't actually naturalize until you have been approved for ROC, they have to decide on the first before they process the second). 

 

Is your timeline updated?


Oath Ceremony Dec 14th, 2018 I am finally a citizen and done with USCIS for good!

 

 

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I-130 transferred to VSC: 2014-03-12        I-130 NOA2: 2014-03-24                                              NVC Received: 2014-04-07 

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DS261 submitted: 2014-05-09                    AOS invoiced and paid: 2014-05-12                           DS261 re-submitted - GRRRR! 2014-05-21               

ENROLL conf. email: 2014-06-05               Submitted AOS documents:2014-06-08                    IV fee email received: 2014-06-23 

IV fee available and paid: 2014-06-24       DS260  submitted: 2014-06-26                                   Case Complete: 2014-07-31                                       

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Submitted N-400 Online: Feb 4, 2018       Denied for Payment Failure: Feb 8, 2018                     Resubmitted N-400 Online Feb 8, 2018

NOA: Feb 8, 2018                                          Biometrics: Feb 26, 2018                                                Interview: Nov 2,2018 (approved)

Oath: Dec 14, 2018

 

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11 hours ago, theanswerisdance said:

From what I understand, it never used to be an issue that you'd file for N-400 while the ROC was still pending, because ROC took less than a year. Now, with the longer processing times, it seems to be the new norm that your eligibility for filing the N-400 will be reached before your ROC is approved. So yes, you can still file next August even if you haven't been approved for your new 10-year GC yet. 

 

9 hours ago, nightingalejules said:

Yes, you can file the N-400 as soon as you're eligible... with the long wait times for ROC, we're going to see if they actually follow their own policy and process them both together (since you can't actually naturalize until you have been approved for ROC, they have to decide on the first before they process the second). 

That's what I figured.... thank you both! If only they made the conditional greencard three years and then you could go straight to N-400... would make much more sense!

Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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Given the time frames you mentioned, if I were in your shoes, I would probably not submit the very first day the window opens, but rather just a few days, maybe a week or so, before your trip. That way, there's no way biometrics would come before Sept 14, so you wouldn't have to worry about missing & the hassle of rescheduling; rather, the appointment would likely come for not too long after you get back. Just an idea.

 

Oh, if you do want to get things underway as soon as possible, heads up: the window isn't 3 months, it's 90 days. Use the USCIS date calculator: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/dateCalculator.html

If your card expires November 6, the earliest day your application can be received is August 8, not August 6—though you did calculate this correctly in the post about when you can apply for citizenship. :-)

 

Have a wonderful time back home!

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26 minutes ago, AK_2014 said:

Given the time frames you mentioned, if I were in your shoes, I would probably not submit the very first day the window opens, but rather just a few days, maybe a week or so, before your trip. That way, there's no way biometrics would come before Sept 14, so you wouldn't have to worry about missing & the hassle of rescheduling; rather, the appointment would likely come for not too long after you get back. Just an idea.

 

Oh, if you do want to get things underway as soon as possible, heads up: the window isn't 3 months, it's 90 days. Use the USCIS date calculator: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/dateCalculator.html

If your card expires November 6, the earliest day your application can be received is August 8, not August 6—though you did calculate this correctly in the post about when you can apply for citizenship. :-)

 

Have a wonderful time back home!

Great suggestions and very helpful! Thanks! I realised the 90 day piece after my original post, as you noticed :-) USCIS is so tricky.

Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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9 minutes ago, AK_2014 said:

That they are! :jest: Glad you're on top of things -- you'll be fine. 

thanks :-)

Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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16 hours ago, Pheebs1201 said:

thanks :-)

I was in the same situation in March. I filed for ROC late Feb (you can't file even a day early as they will return your package) and I left to go to Ireland and England in the middle of March. I had not received my bio-metrics letter before I left.   My husband came with me to Ireland, but went home after that,  I flew on to  England to baby sit our cat there.  

 

Any way,  my husband went online for me when he  received the bio- metric letter and rescheduled  the date from late March to the middle of April.  When I went to the bio-metric appointment  I told the officer  what happened  and they said you don't really need to change the date as you're entitled to walk in  and have your bio-metrics done, as long as it is within 90 days. I wouldn't take that risk personally though because it does say on the letter to reschedule if you can't make the appointment.

 

As for returning I didn't have a problem with my extension letter which I had received before I left. I flew from Dublin where border control check your documents before you get on the plane. No secondary ,no nothing so all should be fine.  I did have a problem with the check in person who was new and had never seen the letter, but it got resolved. I hear if you have a problem with boarding you can ask to speak to an immigration officer as they have them based  at most international airports, well  that's what I was told when I had to visit the American Embassy in London recently..

Removal of Conditions..  TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK

 

Time to reset the tick tock clock again.   Roll my eyes.

 

GC  Conditional date:  05/26/2015

N400.  Application:      02/28/2018       

Biometrics:                    02/22/2018

 

Waiting............    Roll my eyes again :(

 

USA citizen as of 25th of July 2018. :)

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On 7/17/2017 at 1:06 PM, shell20 said:

I was in the same situation in March. I filed for ROC late Feb (you can't file even a day early as they will return your package) and I left to go to Ireland and England in the middle of March. I had not received my bio-metrics letter before I left.   My husband came with me to Ireland, but went home after that,  I flew on to  England to baby sit our cat there.  

 

Any way,  my husband went online for me when he  received the bio- metric letter and rescheduled  the date from late March to the middle of April.  When I went to the bio-metric appointment  I told the officer  what happened  and they said you don't really need to change the date as you're entitled to walk in  and have your bio-metrics done, as long as it is within 90 days. I wouldn't take that risk personally though because it does say on the letter to reschedule if you can't make the appointment.

 

As for returning I didn't have a problem with my extension letter which I had received before I left. I flew from Dublin where border control check your documents before you get on the plane. No secondary ,no nothing so all should be fine.  I did have a problem with the check in person who was new and had never seen the letter, but it got resolved. I hear if you have a problem with boarding you can ask to speak to an immigration officer as they have them based  at most international airports, well  that's what I was told when I had to visit the American Embassy in London recently..

Good info, thanks so much!

 

Can the ROC packet be received by them on the first day of the 90 day window or should it not be mailed until then?

Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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