FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page

[smilesammich 10,727]

6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So if this was reversed and George W. was using the DOJ/NSA to spy on the Obama campaign and transition team you would be fine with it?  What you fail to address is what was the motive for President Obama and his DOJ to do this?  Seems political to me, but I am sure the Left apologists will dismiss this. 

i'm not sure i follow you, you don't see the motive, but a judge saw proper evidence. so the motive appears to have something to do with trump/russian collusion in the election.  

why when it comes to obama he's 'spying' or doing something wrong when this reads to me to be totally on the up and up. is anyone investigating the former administration for all this foul play?

elections are political so i guess i agree with you there (lock her up; oh we won, just kidding she can be free).

trump fans think hypothetical political scenarios that haven't actually happened, matter in the slightest. but by all means, obama was baaad - so friggin bad, he golfed so much and never worked. trump is good. trump works even when he golfs. do you see how much time he has to go golfing? trump didn't think he would be able to pull that off. he's a master scheduler in addition to his skills of deflection.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

11 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So if this was reversed and George W. was using the DOJ/NSA to spy on the Obama campaign and transition team you would be fine with it?  What you fail to address is what was the motive for President Obama and his DOJ to do this?  Seems political to me, but I am sure the Left apologists will dismiss this. 

Except: There is no evidence that the warrant is politically movitated. The initial warrant goes back months before the election. Carter Page's meetings with Russian intelligence go back to 2013 AND Trump claims Carter Page is nit part of his campaign.

[smilesammich 10,727]

obama = politically motivated, spy, lavish living on taxpayer dime, possible shaman, zero experience (as in nil, none) not only in government - but life, community organizer* a nice name for socialist

vs.

trump = ordained by god in heaven to lead us to victory

 

^leftist dismissal^

[IAMX 3,055]

29 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So if this was reversed and George W. was using the DOJ/NSA to spy on the Obama campaign and transition team you would be fine with it?  What you fail to address is what was the motive for President Obama and his DOJ to do this?  Seems political to me, but I am sure the Left apologists will dismiss this. 

They'd totally flip their... if this was being done to Obama. Party fanaticism at work. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

so unfair, wonder who could step in and order some sort of investigation into the obama administration's dirty deeds - get to the bottom of all this.

Edited April 12, 2017 by smilesammich

[yuna628 9,873]

I would not be offended if Obama had many members of staff and advisors who were known Russian agents and by association had to be investigated by the FBI.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

32 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I would not be offended if Obama had many members of staff and advisors who were known Russian agents and by association had to be investigated by the FBI.

Can you please give us the list of Trump staff that are known Russian agents 

[IAMX 3,055]

59 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Can you please give us the list of Trump staff that are known Russian agents 

Rex Tillerson just met with the Russians, clearly he is in on it. Anyone who meets with a Russian or does business with them are involved in the hacking meddling of US elections. Except the vast amount of Democrats and Obama who do, they're excluded. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

i dunno, seems like yous guys are focusing on non issues because you can't discuss legitimate issues reasonably 

[Dashinka 25,881]

2 hours ago, smilesammich said:

i'm not sure i follow you, you don't see the motive, but a judge saw proper evidence. so the motive appears to have something to do with trump/russian collusion in the election.  

why when it comes to obama he's 'spying' or doing something wrong when this reads to me to be totally on the up and up. is anyone investigating the former administration for all this foul play?

elections are political so i guess i agree with you there (lock her up; oh we won, just kidding she can be free).

trump fans think hypothetical political scenarios that haven't actually happened, matter in the slightest. but by all means, obama was baaad - so friggin bad, he golfed so much and never worked. trump is good. trump works even when he golfs. do you see how much time he has to go golfing? trump didn't think he would be able to pull that off. he's a master scheduler in addition to his skills of deflection.

I didn't say it was or wasn't politically motivated definitely, but I did express my opinion given the Obama track record of politically motivated activities that would have made Richard Nixon blush maybe we should find out or do you not ant to know the answer to that question.

 

Let's assume the Obama Administration was honorable with their investigation, if they actually found something, shouldn't they have told the American people this fact prior to the election in November?  The fact that nothing came out prior to the election leaked by some unnamed official in the Obama WH (Susan Rice) leads me to speculate that there is nothing there, but heck, let's keep digging, but let's add an investigation to find out if what Obama did was politically motivated. 

 

Edited April 12, 2017 by Bill & Katya

[IAMX 3,055]

10 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I didn't say it was or wasn't politically motivated definitely, but I did express my opinion given the Obama track record of politically motivated activities that would have made Richard Nixon blush maybe we should find out or do you not ant to know the answer to that question.

 

Let's assume the Obama Administration was honorable with their investigation, if they actually found something, shouldn't they have told the American people this fact prior to the election in November?  The fact that nothing came out prior to the election leaked by some unnamed official in the Obama WH (Susan Rice) leads me to speculate that there is nothing there, but heck, let's keep digging, but let's add an investigation to find out if what Obama did was politically motivated. 

 

Pretty sure if their "meddling" had anything of substance (in litigating terms) they would have moved forward with making it public. Not only do they already meddle in their own party's primaries (which doesn't upset Dems in the slightest) but their financiers like Soros and Co even tried meddling in the GOP primaries to their own utter failure. Rather than acknowledge their failure in primaries and the general they'd rather sow the seeds of conspiracy for their underlings to be distracted by like good little lemmings, despite the overwhelming evidence of their own meddling. Welcome to 21st century America. 

Edited April 12, 2017 by IAMX

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

I didn't say it was or wasn't politically motivated, but it could have been and given the Obama track record of politically motivated activities that would have made Richard Nixon blush maybe we should find out or do you not ant to know the answer to that question.

 

Let's assume the Obama Administration was honorable with their investigation, if they actually found something, shouldn't they have told the American people this fact prior to the election in November?  The fact that nothing came out prior to the election leaked by some unnamed official in the Obama WH (Susan Rice) leads me to speculate that there is nothing there, but heck, let's keep digging, but let's add an investigation to find out if what Obama did was politically motivated. 

 

this is what you said, that i responded to:

"What you fail to address is what was the motive for President Obama and his DOJ to do this?  Seems political to me, but I am sure the Left apologists will dismiss this. "

 

again, i don't see where obama has done anything wrong. i'm absolutely certain that the administration in power will do all they can to make sure obama and his richard nixon blushing ways will be held accountable.

 

oh, are we assuming that the fbi and justice department provided evidence to a judge to lawfully issue the warrant now? cool. cause that's what happened. unless this is a crooked judge. something to think about, trump has brought it to our attention just how many dirtbag politically motivated judges we have in this country.

 

what evidence do you have that susan rice leaked info? is trump putting together a team to investigate all this wrongdoing by the previous administration?

 

obama wasn't the sort of president to shoot from the hip. he's not going to try to influence an election by talking about an ongoing investigation. would have been a pretty wreckless politically motivated move don't you think?

 

[Dashinka 25,881]

7 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

this is what you said, that i responded to:

"What you fail to address is what was the motive for President Obama and his DOJ to do this?  Seems political to me, but I am sure the Left apologists will dismiss this. "

 

again, i don't see where obama has done anything wrong. i'm absolutely certain that the administration in power will do all they can to make sure obama and his richard nixon blushing ways will be held accountable.

 

oh, are we assuming that the fbi and justice department provided evidence to a judge to lawfully issue the warrant now? cool. cause that's what happened. unless this is a crooked judge. something to think about, trump has brought it to our attention just how many dirtbag politically motivated judges we have in this country.

 

what evidence do you have that susan rice leaked info? is trump putting together a team to investigate all this wrongdoing by the previous administration?

 

obama wasn't the sort of president to shoot from the hip. he's not going to try to influence an election by talking about an ongoing investigation. would have been a pretty wreckless politically motivated move don't you think?

 

I think you need to go back and read my reply.  I did say doing it politically was my opinion, but I never said it was definitive. 

 

So we agree to disagree, you think President Trump did bad things, and I think President Obama did bad things.  Let's investigate both, but my earlier premise still holds, if Obama was honorable in his investigation (keeping in mind I mean his Administration and Departments) and something was found, wasn't it a disservice to the American public to not tell us about it prior to November.

[yuna628 9,873]

50 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I didn't say it was or wasn't politically motivated definitely, but I did express my opinion given the Obama track record of politically motivated activities that would have made Richard Nixon blush maybe we should find out or do you not ant to know the answer to that question.

 

Let's assume the Obama Administration was honorable with their investigation, if they actually found something, shouldn't they have told the American people this fact prior to the election in November?  The fact that nothing came out prior to the election leaked by some unnamed official in the Obama WH (Susan Rice) leads me to speculate that there is nothing there, but heck, let's keep digging, but let's add an investigation to find out if what Obama did was politically motivated. 

 

That responsibility isn't up to the administration about the telling of the American people. It's the FBI's job. There's protocol to follow. This is an open and active investigation is the excuse that Comey has given repeatedly as to why he cannot talk about the information they have (and it's clear it's been ongoing for years). They can't tell us what they've found (but it implies it found something), or even how long it will take to spill the details. But really, there's a plethora of information that's leaked out before the election - no one that voted for Trump wanted to care about it. It's the old ''can't confirm or deny'' tactic. I don't want to get into finer details, but imagine you've been running an active investigation in the FBI for several years looking at a bunch of scuzzy guys that might be acting as agents for a foreign power. You then get really alarmed when their names start showing up being close to someone running for public office. It may take a very long time, when you only have some of the puzzle pieces. What should the FBI have done in your mind? In your mind it sounds like you feel like any investigation was politically motivated - to me it sounds like it's appropriate and in the American public interest of national security. And let's say the administration had decided to spill the beans before the investigation had reached it's conclusion (which it has not) - how many would have accused them of being politically motivated again?

Edited April 12, 2017 by yuna628

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think you need to go back and read my reply.  I did say doing it politically was my opinion, but I never said it was definitive. 

 

So we agree to disagree, you think President Trump did bad things, and I think President Obama did bad things.  Let's investigate both, but my earlier premise still holds, if Obama was honorable in his investigation (keeping in mind I mean his Administration and Departments) and something was found, wasn't it a disservice to the American public to not tell us about it prior to November.

well we've narrowly avoided disaster then cause i generally take all the posts here as opinion and not definitive truth.

 

cool, let's investigate both. 

 

no, i think it would have been a disservice to his own credibility if he had announced the investigation prior to november. further, as we've said about trump and his about face on syria, presidents are privy to way more info than the public ever is or will be. that's for a reason, non political reasons. like, my wanting trump to stop tweeting has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with public safety.