Grassley Proposes Widespread Civil Forfeiture Reform

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Grassley Proposes Widespread Civil Forfeiture Reform

A system that allows the government to seize personal property without proving it was obtained through criminal activity would face a massive overhaul under a bill to be introduced Thursday by Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley.

Known as The Due Process Act, law enforcement would face far steeper requirements to show that seized property is linked to crime; allows people to recover attorney fees in cases where the government settles or drops forfeiture claims; and gives judges greater latitude to reduce the size of a forfeiture penalty based on factors such as seriousness of an offense or culpability of a claimant.

Story continues here: http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/politics/2016/06/08/grassley-proposes-widespread-civil-forfeiture-reform/85611944/

[Jacque67 7,328]

Interesting.

[Sousuke 1,214]

Much needed. You actually have foreign embassies warning their citizens that they can be effectively robbed by police in the US, therefore they shouldn't carry much cash at one time.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Several Iowa attorneys who represent clients whose property has been taken by law enforcement said the legislation, if passed by Congress, is an important step. But they also caution that federal changes shouldn’t fool the public into thinking the problem is resolved.

Most states have their own forfeiture laws, which Grassley’s proposal doesn’t change. Of the $43 million noted in the Register’s investigation, only about half were attributed to federal forfeitures.

“I’m not saying this isn’t an important step. It is. But it’s just not a fix,” said Des Moines attorney Glen Downey. “There’s lot of good things about what is being proposed, but nothing in that bill changes Iowa’s practices.”

imo, not at all good enough.

http://www.ij.org/report/policing-for-profit/

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Civil fortitude inadvertently affects those that cannot afford to fight abuse by the police .

A good step in the right direction

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Civil fortitude inadvertently affects those that cannot afford to fight abuse by the police .

A good step in the right direction

You can say there is abuse by police and it's believable but if a black person says it it's not believable?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

You can say there is abuse by police and it's believable but if a black person says it it's not believable?

I can't win

[smilesammich 10,727]

I can't win

you always win when you're learning ?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I can't win

Just wondering. When we talk police abuse and corruption, you act like it's a foreign language off the coast of Palau

[Jacque67 7,328]

Just wondering. When we talk police abuse and corruption, you act like it's a foreign language off the coast of Palau

A Palau. Did I tell you about the time I went diving with the wifey just off one of the tiny islands in Palau. She got into a bit of bother, but I rescued her, coz I'm fluent in Palauen yanno.

[Rob L 3,811]

Oklahoma Police Just Made It Easier Than Ever To Seize Someone’s Money

BY BRYCE COVERT JUN 9, 2016 11:55 AM

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If an Oklahoman who uses a prepaid debit credit card gets pulled over, he now runs the risk that police take all of the money he’s loaded onto the card without having to arrest him or get a warrant.

The state’s Department of Public Safety recently bought and installed 16 portable devices that police can carry in their cars and that allow them to scan prepaid debit cards and gift cards and seize any funds, as well as freeze the funds. The scanners can also obtain and keep some account information — including the name on the card, card number, issuer, and expiration date — from other kinds of cards, such as regular debit cards an credit cards.

Highway patrollers are supposed to use the devices when they suspect someone of having money obtained through drug trafficking. The department says they are targeting the increasing use of prepaid cards by drug dealers.

We’re gonna look for different factors in the way that you’re acting

But the criteria for how police determine whether someone’s funds should be seized are a bit fuzzy. A trooper can simply suspect someone has money on a card tied to some kind of crime to justify the seizure.

“We’re gonna look for different factors in the way that you’re acting,” Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent told News 9. “We’re gonna look for if there’s a difference in your story. If there’s someway that we can prove that you’re falsifying information to us about your business.”

“If we have reasonable suspicion to believe there’s a crime being committed, we’re going to investigate that. If someone has 300 cards taped up and hidden inside the dash of a vehicle, we’re going to check that,” Vincent told Oklahoma Watch. “But if the person has proof that it belongs to him for legitimate reasons, there’s nothing going to happen. We won’t seize it.”

This builds on the vagueness of the state’s civil asset forfeiture laws in general. Oklahoma law only requires the department to prove that seized property is connected to a crime by a preponderance of evidence.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

A Palau. Did I tell you about the time I went diving with the wifey just off one of the tiny islands in Palau. She got into a bit of bother, but I rescued her, coz I'm fluent in Palauen yanno.

But are you fluent in the other foreign language off of the coast of Palau?

Lol

[Jacque67 7,328]

But are you fluent in the other foreign language off of the coast of Palau?

Lol

I'm a cunning linguist.

Oklahoma Police Just Made It Easier Than Ever To Seize Someones Money

BY BRYCE COVERT JUN 9, 2016 11:55 AM

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If an Oklahoman who uses a prepaid debit credit card gets pulled over, he now runs the risk that police take all of the money hes loaded onto the card without having to arrest him or get a warrant.

The states Department of Public Safety recently bought and installed 16 portable devices that police can carry in their cars and that allow them to scan prepaid debit cards and gift cards and seize any funds, as well as freeze the funds. The scanners can also obtain and keep some account information including the name on the card, card number, issuer, and expiration date from other kinds of cards, such as regular debit cards an credit cards.

Highway patrollers are supposed to use the devices when they suspect someone of having money obtained through drug trafficking. The department says they are targeting the increasing use of prepaid cards by drug dealers.

Were gonna look for different factors in the way that youre acting

But the criteria for how police determine whether someones funds should be seized are a bit fuzzy. A trooper can simply suspect someone has money on a card tied to some kind of crime to justify the seizure.

Were gonna look for different factors in the way that youre acting, Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent told News 9. Were gonna look for if theres a difference in your story. If theres someway that we can prove that youre falsifying information to us about your business.

If we have reasonable suspicion to believe theres a crime being committed, were going to investigate that. If someone has 300 cards taped up and hidden inside the dash of a vehicle, were going to check that, Vincent told Oklahoma Watch. But if the person has proof that it belongs to him for legitimate reasons, theres nothing going to happen. We wont seize it.

This builds on the vagueness of the states civil asset forfeiture laws in general. Oklahoma law only requires the department to prove that seized property is connected to a crime by a preponderance of evidence.

Wow.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Oklahoma Police Just Made It Easier Than Ever To Seize Someones Money

BY BRYCE COVERT JUN 9, 2016 11:55 AM

CREDIT: SHUTTERSTOCK

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If an Oklahoman who uses a prepaid debit credit card gets pulled over, he now runs the risk that police take all of the money hes loaded onto the card without having to arrest him or get a warrant.

The states Department of Public Safety recently bought and installed 16 portable devices that police can carry in their cars and that allow them to scan prepaid debit cards and gift cards and seize any funds, as well as freeze the funds. The scanners can also obtain and keep some account information including the name on the card, card number, issuer, and expiration date from other kinds of cards, such as regular debit cards an credit cards.

Highway patrollers are supposed to use the devices when they suspect someone of having money obtained through drug trafficking. The department says they are targeting the increasing use of prepaid cards by drug dealers.

Were gonna look for different factors in the way that youre acting

But the criteria for how police determine whether someones funds should be seized are a bit fuzzy. A trooper can simply suspect someone has money on a card tied to some kind of crime to justify the seizure.

Were gonna look for different factors in the way that youre acting, Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent told News 9. Were gonna look for if theres a difference in your story. If theres someway that we can prove that youre falsifying information to us about your business.

If we have reasonable suspicion to believe theres a crime being committed, were going to investigate that. If someone has 300 cards taped up and hidden inside the dash of a vehicle, were going to check that, Vincent told Oklahoma Watch. But if the person has proof that it belongs to him for legitimate reasons, theres nothing going to happen. We wont seize it.

This builds on the vagueness of the states civil asset forfeiture laws in general. Oklahoma law only requires the department to prove that seized property is connected to a crime by a preponderance of evidence.

Yeap more ways to scam the average American all the way to the last penny. No paper trail but you can take someone's money while they sitting at a red light. This is insane

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

you always win when you're learning ?

I have never been a fan of police overreach and clearly understand why minorities fear the police. In my ERA mom taught us to go to a policeman if in trouble.

The folks on the other side of town , ie the quarater, got drug out of the house and beat by the police if they didn't pay the slum lord on time.

Most on here have no idea what real racism is like.

However when some criminal like M Brown tried to kill a police officer for no reason and many in the black community back him, I think it turns the clock back.