Alleged Utah Mall Shooter Is Bosnian Refugee

[Ban Hammer 14,294]

Well I for one think its very sad that this happened. I work for the company that owns this mall.

I understand that people are upset that an 18 yr. old refugee had a Gun and could do this, But come on ppl! NO 18 yr old kid regardless of where he/she is from should have a gun. Period!

I also happen to know the officer who took the gunman down personally. He is being touted a hero, but it pains him to know he had to take a life to end this tragedy.

There is some common sense left..

actually, that's incorrect. an 18 year old can own a shotgun or rifle in most states. owning a pistol is another matter.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Well I for one think its very sad that this happened. I work for the company that owns this mall.

I understand that people are upset that an 18 yr. old refugee had a Gun and could do this, But come on ppl! NO 18 yr old kid regardless of where he/she is from should have a gun. Period!

I also happen to know the officer who took the gunman down personally. He is being touted a hero, but it pains him to know he had to take a life to end this tragedy.

There is some common sense left..

actually, that's incorrect. an 18 year old can own a shotgun or rifle in most states. owning a pistol is another matter.

My dad gave me my first gun when I was 10. A 22 rifle.

[SOlcayto 0]

It wasn't stated above that an 18 year old can't legally own a gun, it was stated that they shouldn't.

Just to clear that up.

SOL

Edited February 17, 2007 by SOlcayto

[doodlebug 3]

What religion were the ones who did the shooting in Columbine?

The religion of the columbine shooters is not killing innocents on a daily basis. You pick one incident several years ago. I can pick several incidents TODAY from that 'other' religion.

I hope you wake up before it's too late.

Can you please tell me, when you look at your police incident report in the daily newspaper, how many Mohammeds or Ahmeds, etc. do you see on that list?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

What religion were the ones who did the shooting in Columbine?

The religion of the columbine shooters is not killing innocents on a daily basis. You pick one incident several years ago. I can pick several incidents TODAY from that 'other' religion.

I hope you wake up before it's too late.

Can you please tell me, when you look at your police incident report in the daily newspaper, how many Mohammeds or Ahmeds, etc. do you see on that list?

I'm talking terrorism, not 'police incidents'. Terrorism is the daddy of all hate crimes.

[doodlebug 3]

What religion were the ones who did the shooting in Columbine?

The religion of the columbine shooters is not killing innocents on a daily basis. You pick one incident several years ago. I can pick several incidents TODAY from that 'other' religion.

I hope you wake up before it's too late.

Can you please tell me, when you look at your police incident report in the daily newspaper, how many Mohammeds or Ahmeds, etc. do you see on that list?

I'm talking terrorism, not 'police incidents'. Terrorism is the daddy of all hate crimes.

Says who? I'm not saying terrorism isn't horrible, it is, but how many murders and rapes have occured in the US in 2006 and what was the religion of those who committed them? Why isn't the religion of these criminals plastered on Fox News nightly?

How many hate crimes against Muslims occured in the US in 2006 and what was the religion of those who committed them?

Edited February 17, 2007 by doodlebug

[Heracles 417]

It wasn't stated above that an 18 year old can't legally own a gun, it was stated that they shouldn't.

Just to clear that up.

SOL

exactly.. People should, at the very least, be 21 years of age

Edited February 17, 2007 by Infidel

[doodlebug 3]

Lucky strike - your siggy says that there have been 7,320 deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11 and where is the outrage. What is the source so that I can look up who committed these attacks? From the FBI, there have been 81,364 murders from 2001 to 2005. Where's the outrage there? How many of the muderers were muslim?

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html

[Heracles 417]

Quick question, was it Muslims or Christians who saved the Bosnian Muslims??

[doodlebug 3]

Quick question, was it Muslims or Christians who saved the Bosnian Muslims??

The Christian Serbs conducted the genocide. I don't get your point there....

[Heracles 417]

Quick question, was it Muslims or Christians who saved the Bosnian Muslims??

The Christian Serbs conducted the genocide. I don't get your point there....

And who saved them. Obviously if someone had not stepped in they would have been completely wiped out. This is the difference between Muslims and Christians. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Christians do not simply back their buddies and accept whatever they do, simply because they are also Christian. Come to think of it, Serbs killing Bosnians was more about old disputes rather than the Bosnians being Muslim.. Whereas you can not deny that there are a number of Muslims out there who want to kill anyone who is not Muslim.. aka the infidels.. This is where Muslim extremists feed their people rubbish about Christians, Jews etc wanting to take down Islam and people sadly believe it..

PS I think the point Lucky Strike was making is that modern terrorists are killing people based on religious reasons. Murderers on the other hand are mentally ill and/or evil. So to say look at all of these Christian murderers is invalid. No section of the bible endorses killing another human being..

Edited February 18, 2007 by Infidel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What religion were the ones who did the shooting in Columbine?

The religion of the columbine shooters is not killing innocents on a daily basis. You pick one incident several years ago. I can pick several incidents TODAY from that 'other' religion.

I hope you wake up before it's too late.

Can you please tell me, when you look at your police incident report in the daily newspaper, how many Mohammeds or Ahmeds, etc. do you see on that list?

I'm talking terrorism, not 'police incidents'. Terrorism is the daddy of all hate crimes.

Says who? I'm not saying terrorism isn't horrible, it is, but how many murders and rapes have occured in the US in 2006 and what was the religion of those who committed them? Why isn't the religion of these criminals plastered on Fox News nightly?

How many hate crimes against Muslims occured in the US in 2006 and what was the religion of those who committed them?

Fundamentalist Terrorism is a little different in that religion seems to be the reason/justification for the criminal act.

Murderers and rapists may or may not be religious, but the religion (or lack of) is superfluous to their crimes.

[doodlebug 3]

Fundamentalist Terrorism is a little different in that religion seems to be the reason/justification for the criminal act.

Murderers and rapists may or may not be religious, but the religion (or lack of) is superfluous to their crimes.

The fundamentalist Christian groups that gun down employees of abortion clinics don't represent Christianity anymore than the extremist muslims who perform terrorist acts represent Islam.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Quick question, was it Muslims or Christians who saved the Bosnian Muslims??

The Christian Serbs conducted the genocide. I don't get your point there....

And who saved them. Obviously if someone had not stepped in they would have been completely wiped out. This is the difference between Muslims and Christians. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Christians do not simply back their buddies and accept whatever they do, simply because they are also Christian. Come to think of it, Serbs killing Bosnians was more about old disputes rather than the Bosnians being Muslim.. Whereas you can not deny that there are a number of Muslims out there who want to kill anyone who is not Muslim.. aka the infidels.. This is where Muslim extremists feed their people rubbish about Christians, Jews etc wanting to take down Islam and people sadly believe it..

PS I think the point Lucky Strike was making is that modern terrorists are killing people based on religious reasons. Murderers on the other hand are mentally ill and/or evil. So to say look at all of these Christian murderers is invalid. No section of the bible endorses killing another human being..

If the answer is Christians because the US considers itself to be a Christian nation, than it will have to take responsibility for all the Christian murder, genocide, slavery, occupation, and street crime done by its Christian majority too.

[doodlebug 3]

And who saved them. Obviously if someone had not stepped in they would have been completely wiped out. This is the difference between Muslims and Christians. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Christians do not simply back their buddies and accept whatever they do, simply because they are also Christian. Come to think of it, Serbs killing Bosnians was more about old disputes rather than the Bosnians being Muslim.. Whereas you can not deny that there are a number of Muslims out there who want to kill anyone who is not Muslim.. aka the infidels.. This is where Muslim extremists feed their people rubbish about Christians, Jews etc wanting to take down Islam and people sadly believe it..

PS I think the point Lucky Strike was making is that modern terrorists are killing people based on religious reasons. Murderers on the other hand are mentally ill and/or evil. So to say look at all of these Christian murderers is invalid. No section of the bible endorses killing another human being..

You're not making sense. Who saved them? Well Iran and other Islamic countries for one saved them by shipping them the arms necessary to defend themselves finally. If you're trying to say that the US forces that did the bombings are equivalent to Christians, then that's just ridiculous. The US military is made up of people from all religions, including Muslims.

And if you think no section of the bible endorses killing another human being I think perhaps you need to go do a lil re-read.

Num 25:4 The LORD said to Moses, "Take all the leaders of these people, kill them and expose them in broad daylight before the LORD, so that the LORD's fierce anger may turn away from Israel."

5 So Moses said to Israel's judges, "Each of you must put to death those of your men who have joined in worshiping the Baal of Peor."

Joshua 9:1 Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged. Take the whole army with you, and go up and attack Ai. For I have delivered into your hands the king of Ai, his people, his city and his land. 2 You shall do to Ai and its king as you did to Jericho and its king, except that you may carry off their plunder and livestock for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city."

3 So Joshua and the whole army moved out to attack Ai. He chose thirty thousand of his best fighting men and sent them out at night 4 with these orders: "Listen carefully. You are to set an ambush behind the city. Don't go very far from it. All of you be on the alert. 5 I and all those with me will advance on the city, and when the men come out against us, as they did before, we will flee from them. 6 They will pursue us until we have lured them away from the city, for they will say, 'They are running away from us as they did before.' So when we flee from them, 7 you are to rise up from ambush and take the city. The LORD your God will give it into your hand. 8 When you have taken the city, set it on fire. Do what the LORD has commanded. See to it; you have my orders."

Matthew 10:34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn

" 'a man against his father,

a daughter against her mother,

a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw—

36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.