Identical twin studies prove homosexuality is not genetic

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

A person's upbringing and their reaction to it, for instance. Twins are genetically identical, but they don't have the same parents. By that I mean that each twin has a unique relationship with each parent.

To add onto this, factors such as maternal hormone levels, the number of brothers prior and the way a mother's body handles testosterone can all have an influence.

I have younger brothers who are identical twins. Like most identical twins, their fingerprints and ears are very different. The positioning of the foetus in the womb can have a contributing factor in development and shape.

Saying that because not all twin pairs are both homosexual if one is means homosexuality is a choice is kind of like saying that, because not all twins where one is autistic has both twins autistic means autism is a choice.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Opposites attractive. By nature we should be heterosexual because we need to reproduce.

With this being said, if people want to choose their own sexuality that is their business. If they feel a woman or a man is more suitable for their needs then I say let them have at it.

But based on one stick needs to be put in the hole (if I can be blunt) this is the way it should be.

Again, it really doesn't matter to me what a person chooses for their sexuality or if they are born homosexual.

The misconception about nature in this argument is that there are things that human beings do which aren't natural. That's simply not the case - we are socially complex creatures and our needs are greater than the need to reproduce.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

To add onto this, factors such as maternal hormone levels, the number of brothers prior and the way a mother's body handles testosterone can all have an influence.

I have younger brothers who are identical twins. Like most identical twins, their fingerprints and ears are very different. The positioning of the foetus in the womb can have a contributing factor in development and shape.

Saying that because not all twin pairs are both homosexual if one is means homosexuality is a choice is kind of like saying that, because not all twins where one is autistic has both twins autistic means autism is a choice.

Oh I agree - there are so many factors at work that noone can say for sure where their sexual preferences come from. It's not a conscious choice - we know that because we can deduce it from our own experience.

Genetics simply cannot explain complex human behaviour - all it can do is say there are proclivities where certain genes are concerned. People with addictive personalities, there is some proof that this is genetic - but having genes that predispose that behaviour doesn't automatically make you an alcoholic. There are learned behaviours, influences from parents and peers etc that are far more powerful.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I'd rather say that when it comes to sex, the definition of natural is very personal. Different strokes... - pun intended.

The misconception about nature in this argument is that there are things that human beings do which aren't natural. That's simply not the case - we are socially complex creatures and our needs are greater than the need to reproduce.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Hardly an expert . He is a far right rabid Christian "dead" memes of a fringe group called NARTH, that has been discredited at every turn. NARTH thinks you can turn Homosexuals thru therapy and shame.

As Bones would say. Dear God Jim this is not the dark ages

Attacking the source is my gig. How dare you?

Anyway, this earns you B: It was not on MSNBC, CNN....

[Janelle2002 3,865]

The misconception about nature in this argument is that there are things that human beings do which aren't natural. That's simply not the case - we are socially complex creatures and our needs are greater than the need to reproduce.

But reproduction cannot be ignored.

I'd rather say that when it comes to sex, the definition of natural is very personal. Different strokes... - pun intended.

Ooooo I like that. Different strokes or no strokes for different folks.

Fixed that for you.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think anyone is 'ignoring' reproduction. If anything, reproduction is a choice.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I don't think anyone is 'ignoring' reproduction. If anything, reproduction is a choice.

A choice that if everyone decided to not choose we would be extinct. Unless you think cloning is the solution.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Fair enough...

But reproduction cannot be ignored.

Ooooo I like that. Different strokes or no strokes for different folks.

Fixed that for you.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

I don't think anyone is 'ignoring' reproduction. If anything, reproduction is a choice.

Indeed. I have chosen so far not to reproduce, thoughtfully sparing the world from my offspring. We are human and as such have agency in a way no other animal truly does.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

A choice that if everyone decided to not choose we would be extinct. Unless you think cloning is the solution.

A person can choose to have children or not choose to have them - that's simply a fact. Nothing more. That said, I'm not sure why that's relevant to what we're talking about.

The topic is about homosexuality.

Edited November 4, 2014 by Hail Ming!

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

A choice that if everyone decided to not choose we would be extinct. Unless you think cloning is the solution.

What you say does not negate or mitigate his statement.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I thought about reproducing but my wife thought I'd better let her do it instead. She said I'm much too absent minded to be trusted with any kind of mitosis.

Indeed. I have chosen so far not to reproduce, thoughtfully sparing the world from my offspring. We are human and as such have agency in a way no other animal truly does.

I don't invalidate your point, but it would do the world a world of good if some people considered adopting instead of reproducing. There are so many unwanted persons out there, whose life's sanctity ended the moment they came out of the womb.

A choice that if everyone decided to not choose we would be extinct. Unless you think cloning is the solution.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

What you say does not negate or mitigate his statement.

Responding to him can be a difficult task sometimes.

I thought about reproducing but my wife thought I'd better let her do it instead. She said I'm much too absent minded to be trusted with any kind of mitosis.

I don't invalidate your point, but it would do the world a world of good if some people considered adopting instead of reproducing. There are so many unwanted persons out there, whose life's sanctity ended the moment they came out of the womb.

I agree. People should adopt more. This is something I am thinking about.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Responding to him can be a difficult task sometimes.

No need to be rude ;-)