Dallas Ebola patient vomited outside apartment on way to hospital

[UncleBeer 244]

Heh: even staunch Democrat candidates are running away from the preznit and his policies:

[Dakine10 5,452]

Says the person who claims the virus will only live 2 hours outside the host. Sure hope you are not in the health profession.

Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

http://www.cdc.gov/v...ission/qas.html

In ideal conditions the virus can live several hours on dry surfaces. Several meaning more than 2 but not many. To remind you of the context, we were talking about ebola being washed on a street surface. Both water and sunlight decrease survival time of the virus. I'll admit a couple of hours is an educated guess. Maybe its 3 or 4. It's not very long.

I really don't care how long it survives in a laboratory. The CDC is not out there inoculating doorknobs. They're extrapolating what they know from the laboratory and even that is not much, otherwise they would have a number for you. Not too many people in this world get to mess around with live Ebola virus.

[GandD 5,966]

~~One post removed for using harsh language. Lets keep it civil folks~~

[Dakine10 5,452]

The CDC was caught flat-footed on Ebola. Totally unprepared, and now they clamor to find one voice. But yet, the message from them is hiding the truth from the American people because they fear panic. The American people don't like people in charge who carefully filter messages to the public. They want the straight truth without political posturing. This is why the Ebola issue is out of control. It's amateur hour in Washington, and a major embarrassment on the global stage.

The hospital screwed this up. It's basic triage protocol if someone presents with a fever of unknown origin, you get a travel history and you act on it.

That triage is part of the protocol. The CDC doesn't have representatives hanging out in your local ER waiting for Ebola to show up. If hospital ER's start releasing patients who present with Ebola symptoms and travel history, the CDC is going to have a pretty tough time of it.

[Curmudgeon 227]

No one signed up to go hit the virus at source, which is the obvious answer if you genuinely cared about preventing it's spread to the USA? Clearly all you care about it making political hay out of people dying. Bizarre.

[UncleBeer 244]

The hospital screwed this up. It's basic triage protocol if someone presents with a fever of unknown origin, you get a travel history and you act on it.

That triage is part of the protocol. The CDC doesn't have representatives hanging out in your local ER waiting for Ebola to show up. If hospital ER's start releasing patients who present with Ebola symptoms and travel history, the CDC is going to have a pretty tough time of it.

Let's give 'credit' where it's due: turns out this new Electronic Health Records (EHR) protocol was instituted by the preznit during the Obamacare rollout. I guess we had to pass the bill in order to find out what was in it.

This is the result when hubris-fueled amateurs are put in charge of important functions.

'Flaw' in Electronic Health Record Blamed for Medical Error Involving Ebola Patient

When a sick Liberian man walked into Texas Presbyterian Hospital last month, "Protocols were followed by both the physician and the nurses," the hospital said in a statement released Thursday night.

The man told a nurse he had come from West Africa, where an Ebola epidemic is raging.

"However, we have identified a flaw in the way the physician and nursing portions of our electronic health records (EHR) interacted in this specific case."

The hospital said its electronic health records include "separate physician and nursing workflows."

The hospital said the Liberian man's travel history was located in the nurses' portion of the EHR, but -- "As designed, the travel history would not automatically appear in the physician’s standard workflow."

"As result of this discovery, Texas Health Dallas has relocated the travel history documentation to a portion of the EHR that is part of both workflows. It also has been modified to specifically reference Ebola-endemic regions in Africa.

"We have made this change to increase the visibility and documentation of the travel question in order to alert all providers. We feel that this change will improve the early identification of patients who may be at risk for communicable diseases, including Ebola," the hospital said.

A provision in President Obama's 2009 stimulus law required physicians and hospitals to adopt Electronic health records "for each person in the United States by 2014."

While some Americans have raised privacy concerns, physicians themselves have raised concerns about EHRs degrading the quality of medical care.

[Curmudgeon 227]

In other words, when you remove the hysteria, the electronic work flows had a flaw that has now been fixed. This will increase the effectiveness of EHR's moving forward, what it does not mean is that EHR's themselves are a pointless waste of time. Clearly, they are an extremely useful tool for improving patient care.

[UncleBeer 244]

In other words, when you remove the hysteria, the electronic work flows had a flaw that has now been fixed.

No; that's one fixed flaw in one procedure in one case. Gosh, what an optimist you are.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Let's give 'credit' where it's due: turns out this new Electronic Health Records (EHR) protocol was instituted by the preznit during the Obamacare rollout. I guess we had to pass the bill in order to find out what was in it.

This is the result when hubris-fueled amateurs are put in charge of important functions.

Not that this would ever stand in the way of your wishful thinking but that nonsense has long been retracted by THR. They fu^#ed up, sending a guy that presented with Ebola symptoms and originated from the affected area home with antibiotics. It's just that simple. It's not Obama that fu^#ed this up. It's not Congress that fu^#ed this up. It's not the CDC that fu^#ed this up. It's the hospital and its staff in Dallas, TX that fu^#ed this up. Hard to swallow for someone like you but it is nonetheless the reality of it all.

The company that owns the Dallas hospital treating the first case of Eboladiagnosed in the U.S. late Friday retreated from an earlier statement that a flaw in the electronic health-record system had led to miscommunication between nurses and doctors resulting in the patient being sent home after being evaluated in its emergency department.

Officials at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas initially said a communication breakdown was responsible for clinicians releasing Thomas Eric Duncan after he came to the ED on the evening of Sept. 25 showing symptoms of Ebola, only to be admitted and placed in isolation on Sept. 28 after his symptoms worsened.

In a statement issued Thursday, Texas Health Resources, the hospital's parent company, said some caregivers were aware of the patient's travel history, but cited a workflow issue with its EHR system in sharing the information. “Protocols were followed by both the physician and the nurses,” the statement read. “However, we have identified a flaw in the way the physician and nursing portions of our electronic health records interacted in this specific case.”

THR issued another statement Friday night backing off that explanation, however. “As a standard part of the nursing process, the patient's travel history was documented and available to the full care team in the electronic health record (EHR), including within the physician's workflow,” the statement read. “There was no flaw in the EHR in the way the physician and nursing portions interacted related to this event.”

[UncleBeer 244]

Hmm; wonder what Big Dog wrote (but certainly not wondering enough to un-ignore him!).

[aaydrian 479]

Based on what I've read so far, it appears as if the is no cure for Ebola. Is that true? I'm getting the impression it's like HIV/AIDS where there is no cure just treatments and the virus is something that will remain in the system of an infected individual until death.

What a bunch of paranoid cr@p!

Here are the "unconfirmed" cases - the scary stuff, I suppose:

• FL - Hospital officials say the patient is feeling better and has been moved out of isolation.
• MD - Maryland hospital says patient has malaria, not Ebola
• VA - UPDATE: 2 Virginia patients tested for Ebola, tests likely negative
• MA - Massachusetts physician Dr. Rick Sacra, who had been successfully treated for Ebola, has been admitted to UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester Saturday night for signs of pneumonia, according to multiple reports.

Frankfurt: Ebola patient arrives in Germany from Sierra Leone. This is an infected doctor from Uganda who was purposely transported to Germany for treatment. If this makes the list, where is the French nurse that was previously transported to and successfully treated in Hamburg?

This is why you leave it to professionals. Bloggers such as the one that put up this paranoid "tracker" simply lack the expertise to inform the public effectively. They're generally speaking just full of themselves and their irrational fear. And they like to spread that fear. Of course, that's just up your alley, son, ain't it?

What has been the reactions of the German people to the fact that someone suffering from Ebola is in the country?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Based on what I've read so far, it appears as if the is no cure for Ebola. Is that true? I'm getting the impression it's like HIV/AIDS where there is no cure just treatments and the virus is something that will remain in the system of an infected individual until death.

Where did you read that? My reading is that several people who had contracted Ebola have been treated successfully and released from the hospital Ebola-free.

What has been the reactions of the German people to the fact that someone suffering from Ebola is in the country?

There's no widespread outrage and certainly no panic over the treatment of a French citizen and the transport for treatment of a Ugandan citizen to German hospitals. Why should there be? Any rational person would not have a problem with that.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Based on what I've read so far, it appears as if the is no cure for Ebola. Is that true? I'm getting the impression it's like HIV/AIDS where there is no cure just treatments and the virus is something that will remain in the system of an infected individual until death.

For those that survive the acute phase, the virus remains in the body for several weeks after symptoms have abated.

[MyLittlePony 340]

We are all screwed get that through your head, I hope the apartment ducts are cleaned that virus can travel far once the fan is on. .

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

For those that survive the acute phase, the virus remains in the body for several weeks after symptoms have abated.

During those several weeks, these patients would not be contagious, would they be?