regarding proof of meeting fiancee passport

[kalbitang 6]

Hi, hopefully someone can help me answer this question... about proof of meeting in the past 2 year..

I am trying to gather proof.. and one of the proof is my fiancee's passport she has entry and depart stamps from USA...

which is proof she visited NYC...

my question is... do I need to have her make copies of the whole passport ? or can I just copy the pages with the entry and depart stamps pages ?

because her passport has about 50 pages in total.. and most of the pages are blank in the passport...

any ideas how to go about ?

will she need to make copies of her passport when she goes to the interview ? and if so.. do she need to copy the whole passport with all pages ?

I know that when I submit my I-129F application it does say that I need to make copies of my passport all pages ? is that right ?

if I have naturalization papers... do I need to submit passport also ?

Thanks.

[Ian H. 207]

You can just copy the bio page of the passport and the pages with the relevant stamps, no need to copy the entire passport with blank pages.

Copies of airline receipts, boarding passes, hotel receipts, photos should be submitted as well as additional proof.

If you will be using your passport to prove your USC, it must be unexpired, and again it's only necessary to include the bio page. If you will be using it to prove your trips to her, if any, you copy only those.

You don't need to send a copy of your nat. cert. if you will be using your passport copy to prove your USC. Unless your passport is expired.

[KayDeeCee 4,903]

You can just copy the bio page of the passport and the pages with the relevant stamps, no need to copy the entire passport with blank pages.

Copies of airline receipts, boarding passes, hotel receipts, photos should be submitted as well as additional proof.

If you will be using your passport to prove your USC, it must be unexpired, and again it's only necessary to include the bio page. If you will be using it to prove your trips to her, if any, you copy only those.

You don't need to send a copy of your nat. cert. if you will be using your passport copy to prove your USC. Unless your passport is expired.

No.

If you are using the passport to prove you met in person within the last 2 years, then you only need the biographical page plus the pages with the stamps on them.

If you use the US passport as proof that you are a USC, then you must copy ALL pages, front to back.

If you include a copy of your US birth certificate or naturalization, then no need for a copy of all pages of the passport.

Page 4 of the I-129F instructions>

5. What Documents Do You Need to Show That You Are a U.S. Citizen?

a. If you were born in the United States, submit a copy, front and back, of your birth certificate.

b. If you were naturalized, submit a copy, front and back, of your original Certificate of Naturalization.

c. If you were born outside the United States and you are a U.S. citizen through your "parent(s)", submit:

(1) A copy of your original Certificate of Citizenship; or

(2) Your Form FS-240, Report of Birth Abroad of a United States Citizen.

d. In place of any of the above, you may submit a copy of your valid, unexpired U.S. passport issued with a validity

period of at least 5 years. You must submit copies of all pages in the passport.

[Ian H. 207]

I see. I only sent a copy of the bio page and the stamps when I submitted my first petition which was the I-129F, and again when I submitted the I-130. I probably just got lucky.

OP: Since you have your nat. cert. send a copy of both sides of that, this way you won't have to copy all of the pages in your passport, just the bio page and the relevant stamps.

Edited September 13, 2014 by Ian H.

[ISBJORN10 5]

Hi, hopefully someone can help me answer this question... about proof of meeting in the past 2 year..

I am trying to gather proof.. and one of the proof is my fiancee's passport she has entry and depart stamps from USA...

which is proof she visited NYC...

my question is... do I need to have her make copies of the whole passport ? or can I just copy the pages with the entry and depart stamps pages ?

because her passport has about 50 pages in total.. and most of the pages are blank in the passport...

any ideas how to go about ?

will she need to make copies of her passport when she goes to the interview ? and if so.. do she need to copy the whole passport with all pages ?

I know that when I submit my I-129F application it does say that I need to make copies of my passport all pages ? is that right ?

if I have naturalization papers... do I need to submit passport also ?

Thanks.

IF YOU SENT BIRTH CERT. YOU DON'T NEED TO SEND ALL PASS PAGES ONLY SEND BIO AND THE PAGE WITH STAMP VISA AND IF YOU CAN SEND A COPY OF I-94

[kalbitang 6]

Thank you guys... for all the great information

[jxn 86]

This isn't really relevant to you but I should add that the U.S. doesn't have passport control or departure stamps. The U.S. has access to the flight manifests and knows when you've left, but you don't go through passport control / immigration at the airport when leaving like you do in most other countries.

[Ian H. 207]

The passport stamps are only to prove that he visited his fiance over there, not to see when he left or entered the US.

[XXXYYYZZZ 20]

Photo copy all passport visa pages? Why?..........VJ urban legend me thinks.

For CR/1 I only included my bio page and the stamps of entering and exiting the wife's country when we married to show we we're together. I didn't send my birth certificate; it was lost years ago and I never bothered getting a new one. Never needed it, not even for my sons CRBA. We were approved for both. Visa pages don't prove your citizenship and USCIS has instant access to your travel history for entering and leaving the US. We live in a digital world.

I have an 8 year old business passport with visa pages added 4 times plus a 2 year secondary passport. I really doubt USCIS wants 200 copies of visa pages.

My entire I-130 packet was only 22 pages as I don't believe in tons of secondary evidence. I read on here a guy who recommended a 500 page packet; what could possibly be in there?

[Ian H. 207]

The I-130 is different from the I-129F. The I-130 doesn't require all the pages, but the I-129F does. All I know is that I only sent the pages with the stamps and the bio page and didn't have an issue. But like I said, I may just have gotten lucky, it's best for the OP to include all the pages if he will be using his passport to prove USC. He has his nat. cert. so it wouldn't be necessary to send all the pages if he has that.

[KayDeeCee 4,903]

Photo copy all passport visa pages? Why?..........VJ urban legend me thinks.

If the USCIS instructions for the I-129F are just VJ urban legend, then okay. I quoted directly from the form instructions in this thread.

[KayDeeCee 4,903]

This isn't really relevant to you but I should add that the U.S. doesn't have passport control or departure stamps. The U.S. has access to the flight manifests and knows when you've left, but you don't go through passport control / immigration at the airport when leaving like you do in most other countries.

The bio page and pages with the passport stamps are to prove meeting within the 2 years prior to filing the I-129F petition. It is a main requirement of the petition that you have met in person. They don't need to show the date they left the US. They are showing the date/proof their US passport was stamped when entering the country where they were visiting with their foreign fiance(e). They go along with boarding passes, receipts, etc. If the foreign fiance(e) visited with them in the US, then they can provide the bio page and pages with the entry stamps from their passport along with the other supporting documentation of their trips.

[XXXYYYZZZ 20]

If the USCIS instructions for the I-129F are just VJ urban legend, then okay. I quoted directly from the form instructions in this thread.

OK you're right; that's what the paper says. It is in the instructions on the I-129F for the K-1 state you are to copy all visa pages and that the passport is valid for 5 years OR a copy front and back of your birth certificate/naturalization document. The instructions on the I-130 for the CR-1/IR-1 ask for a copy of your birth certificate/naturalization document with out saying what sides to copy AND a copy of your unexpired passport with no mention of pages. That's just stupid; why on earth wouldn't they be the same US citizenship proof standard? Why would married or single make any difference?

So if you sent your birth certificate copy and you only want to send your passport copy to prove time together you wouldn't need all the visa pages; just the relevant stamps showing time together with a short written explanation of the stamps relevance. Confusing!!!!

KayDeeCee I don't know what to tell you. The only petitioner info I sent was passport bio page and one visa page from when we got married. The passport only had 3 years validity. I sent more info about our yet to be born child than about myself. Our case was approved with no RFE, checklists or AP. This just shows that in the end the whole process rests on the CO's discretion.

[Ian H. 207]

You're right about them being inconsistent. The proof should be the same throughout their forms. If you need to prove USC, they should have a set standard across all their forms. However, if the instructions say they need all pages, then it's best to submit all pages. Again this is only when using the passport to prove USC.

[KayDeeCee 4,903]

OK you're right; that's what the paper says. It is in the instructions on the I-129F for the K-1 state you are to copy all visa pages and that the passport is valid for 5 years OR a copy front and back of your birth certificate/naturalization document. The instructions on the I-130 for the CR-1/IR-1 ask for a copy of your birth certificate/naturalization document with out saying what sides to copy AND a copy of your unexpired passport with no mention of pages. That's just stupid; why on earth wouldn't they be the same US citizenship proof standard? Why would married or single make any difference?

So if you sent your birth certificate copy and you only want to send your passport copy to prove time together you wouldn't need all the visa pages; just the relevant stamps showing time together with a short written explanation of the stamps relevance. Confusing!!!!

KayDeeCee I don't know what to tell you. The only petitioner info I sent was passport bio page and one visa page from when we got married. The passport only had 3 years validity. I sent more info about our yet to be born child than about myself. Our case was approved with no RFE, checklists or AP. This just shows that in the end the whole process rests on the CO's discretion.

The I-129F instructions state that if you use the passport as proof of being a USC, then you need to provide copies of all pages of your passport. So, if someone is using it to prove citizenship, then they should send in copies of all the pages, front to back. If they are using it only for proof of meeting because they supply a copy of their birth or naturalization cert, then just the bio page and pages with the stamps will do.

Your passport only having 3 years left before it expired is not a problem. It only has to have been issued with at least 5 years validity, and US passports are generally issued with a 10 year validity. As long as it is unexpired, that is all that matters and not how long until it expires. Again, this is from the I-129F instructions and about the I-129F form. I do not believe the I-130 instructions have the part about the length of validity at issuance.

Why it would be inconsistent between forms, I do not know. I just know this is the forum for K-1 visas and the OP is filing the I-129F petition, and not the I-130. They should follow what the I-129F instructions ask for, and it does not matter what the I-130 instructions state because that is not the form they need to file. They can provide a copy of their naturalization certificate anyway, so they won't even need to copy all the pages of their passport.