BREAKING: Oklahoma Botched Execution

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

All righty-roo

[RhettVoe 281]

just shoot the clown.....game over.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

just shoot the clown.....game over.

Shooting, hanging, stoning, guillotine are all suitable and effective. We need a bigger smorgasboard of options from which the victims family and voters who support the US Constitution can choose. For those who think it's not a deterrent, perhaps wild animals turned loose on convicts leaving the courtroom after conviction would help.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

So I guess you never drive because you might have or cause an accident?

Wow, new person to this section wanting to fart all over the tenured folks, like me.

I am sorry that I value life a lot more than the average American thinker, you.

I really believe that we should be a lot more careful when determining life or death. Especially since we know mistakes can be made. At least if the person gets life and they are innocent later on they didn't die for.

Do I think about the victims families, sure? First, they have to suffer from loosing someone, then they have to finally feel closure when the killer is found, then they have to go through a cycle of guilt once the killer is killed, then they have to feel extreme guilt after they found out the killer was not the killer and an innocent person was killed, then they have to go back through, well hell, who is the killer? Again, no closure. See how this works.

[JohnR! 5,495]

just shoot the clown.....game over.

Isn't that a euphemism for masturbation?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Isn't that a euphemism for masturbation?

wouldn't that be whack the monkey?

[deleted-05292014 331]

I understand that the person who committed this crime committed a brutal act. The people that are found guilty and sentenced to death, generally speaking, have committed some heinous and brutal acts there is no argument there with me. I also recognize that there is a human reaction to being a victim of a heinous crime and wanting to exact revenge in the heat of the moment. I understand someone wanting to drag that person out on the street right after the crime and stone them to death, I don't think I would personally do that but I think that is a natural reaction to lets say a child rapist/killer - or whatever gruesome crime you can think of.

I also understand that people can change. The vast majority of the people executed go through long appeals process that take 30 years or more on average ( http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/time-death-row) before their sentence is carried out. It's not like at 50 or 60 a person did not, or could not change from when they were 18 or 20. So for me I just have the compassion to see the other side. If you have someone that is repentant, perhaps made great strides in changing their life, perhaps found a strong conviction of faith, I just don't feel it is justice to put that person to death. Yes they should spend the rest of their life behind bars, but they are not the same person in most cases.

As far as Christians go, I don't see how any Christian can support the death penalty. It is not Christ like. I guess that is where I kind of detract from my fellow progressive atheist heathen comrades who support the death penalty ...but that is another reason why I can't support the death penalty based on my interpretation of New Testament scripture.

The death penalty is also classicist and racist. I mean lets put aside the actual crime and look at the backgrounds and faces of those being put to death. Anyone remember John Du Pont? The guy that killed the male wrestler that lived with him. He was a millionaire, ended up pleading insanity and got sentenced to jail and died a decade later. Or what about Phil Spector sentenced only to 19 years in prison. 90% of people convicted on capital crimes have a public defender as their lawyer and not private competent representation with access to resources to vigorously fight against the charges. Wasn't it someone in the great hanging state of Texas that said the constitution only guarantees a lawyer and not one that is awake.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-representation

In North Carolina, at least 16 death row inmates, including 3 who were executed, were represented by lawyers who have been disbarred or disciplined for unethical or criminal conduct. (Charlotte Observer, Sept. 9, 2000).

How is this justice? How can anyone support killing someone within a judicial system that is flawed and bias against those who do not have the wealth to defend their life. And really not just bias along the lines of economic status or racial bias, but just flawed with general incompetence at many levels.

What about the financial costs? The reality is, the death penalty is a financial burden on the every single State. So once again I ask conservatives, if you are so concerned with being fiscal then why do you support a program and system that cost tax payers millions of dollars.

Once again in North Carolina it cost the state $11 million a year in just court costs alone.This is not counting housing costs, food, clothing etc.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

Extra defense costs for capital cases in trial phase $13,180,385
Extra payments to jurors $224,640
Capital post-conviction costs $7,473,556
Resentencing hearings $594,216
Prison system $169,617
Total $21,642,414

Lastly, it's not to argue that I don't care about the victims families. But killing someone is not going to bring your loved one back. For me knowing that the criminal is spending the rest of their life behind bars and never knowing freedom ever again is a fit punishment. To me death is almost an escape, a way out for them.

Edited May 1, 2014 by Jinx614

[Jacque67 7,328]

To paraphrase Freddy Mercury- nothing really matters at all

Edited May 1, 2014 by Jacque67

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I understand that the person who committed this crime committed a brutal act. The people that are found guilty and sentenced to death, generally speaking, have committed some heinous and brutal acts there is no argument there with me. I also recognize that there is a human reaction to being a victim of a heinous crime and wanting to exact revenge in the heat of the moment. I understand someone wanting to drag that person out on the street right after the crime and stone them to death, I don't think I would personally do that but I think that is a natural reaction to lets say a child rapist/killer - or whatever gruesome crime you can think of.

I also understand that people can change. The vast majority of the people executed go through long appeals process that take 30 years or more on average ( http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/time-death-row) before their sentence is carried out. It's not like at 50 or 60 a person did not, or could not change from when they were 18 or 20. So for me I just have the compassion to see the other side. If you have someone that is repentant, perhaps made great strides in changing their life, perhaps found a strong conviction of faith, I just don't feel it is justice to put that person to death. Yes they should spend the rest of their life behind bars, but they are not the same person in most cases.

As far as Christians go, I don't see how any Christian can support the death penalty. It is not Christ like. I guess that is where I kind of detract from my fellow progressive atheist heathen comrades who support the death penalty ...but that is another reason why I can't support the death penalty based on my interpretation of New Testament scripture.

The death penalty is also classicist and racist. I mean lets put aside the actual crime and look at the backgrounds and faces of those being put to death. Anyone remember John Du Pont? The guy that killed the male wrestler that lived with him. He was a millionaire, ended up pleading insanity and got sentenced to jail and died a decade later. Or what about Phil Spector sentenced only to 19 years in prison. 90% of people convicted on capital crimes have a public defender as their lawyer and not private competent representation with access to resources to vigorously fight against the charges. Wasn't it someone in the great hanging state of Texas that said the constitution only guarantees a lawyer and not one that is awake.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-representation

In North Carolina, at least 16 death row inmates, including 3 who were executed, were represented by lawyers who have been disbarred or disciplined for unethical or criminal conduct. (Charlotte Observer, Sept. 9, 2000).

How is this justice? How can anyone support killing someone within a judicial system that is flawed and bias against those who do not have the wealth to defend their life. And really not just bias along the lines of economic status or racial bias, but just flawed with general incompetence at many levels.

What about the financial costs? The reality is, the death penalty is a financial burden on the every single State. So once again I ask conservatives, if you are so concerned with being fiscal then why do you support a program and system that cost tax payers millions of dollars.

Once again in North Carolina it cost the state $11 million a year in just court costs alone.This is not counting housing costs, food, clothing etc.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

Extra defense costs for capital cases in trial phase $13,180,385

Extra payments to jurors $224,640

Capital post-conviction costs $7,473,556

Resentencing hearings $594,216

Prison system $169,617

Total $21,642,414

Lastly, it's not to argue that I don't care about the victims families. But killing someone is not going to bring your loved one back. For me knowing that the criminal is spending the rest of their life behind bars and never knowing freedom ever again is a fit punishment. To me death is almost an escape, a way out for them.

Didn't we just have a thread on folks locked up for crimes they didn't commit? If we instituted hanging as a punishment without due process, innocent people could be killed.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Didn't we just have a thread on folks locked up for crimes they didn't commit? If we instituted hanging as a punishment without due process, innocent people could be killed.

Per my link the other day

Hundreds of Black men ere executed in the early and mid 20th century for rape.I would bet a vast majority of those where , white women who go jungle fever, then got caught, and cried rape to save face.

In death penalty cases we have to do our due diligence. 20 years of appeals is another story.

In cases in which, say for instance they pulled a gun in a court room and shot a judge in front of 100 people. Let's make it quick

Have a special unified appeals with special death case investigators. Let's make real 100% sure then get it done

I am for justice for all people

[Jacque67 7,328]

Justice is over rated

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Per my link the other day

Hundreds of Black men ere executed in the early and mid 20th century for rape.I would bet a vast majority of those where , white women who go jungle fever, then got caught, and cried rape to save face.

In death penalty cases we have to do our due diligence. 20 years of appeals is another story.

In cases in which, say for instance they pulled a gun in a court room and shot a judge in front of 100 people. Let's make it quick

Have a special unified appeals with special death case investigators. Let's make real 100% sure then get it done

I am for justice for all people

I remember this movie and song. It's been a long time.

I think that's the point folks against it were trying to make. The story I posted about the guy who went to jail for 24 years? He was convicted of killing another man for money. The kicker was, at the time of the murder, he was at Disneyland in Florida with his mother, while the murder took place in New York. Dude had tickets, hotel receipts, date/time stamped pictures, witnesses from the hotel and his mother, and video camera footage of him in the hotel at the time of the murder. This was all debunked when a witness placed him at the scene of the murder. Come to find out they bribed a woman with a reduced sentence for her eye witness testimony. If we were just killing people because we THOUGHT they were guilty, this man would have been killed.

[lostinblue 1,989]

I thought liberals were full of compassion The last few minutes of this woman's life lets think about it. She was shot... then buried alive.. shovel after shovel of dirt being thrown on her face ... do you think she might of screamed in terror ... How long did she struggle ... Now liberals are concerned about a person taking too long to die. .. to pay for his crime.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Dead is dead

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I thought liberals were full of compassion The last few minutes of this woman's life lets think about it. She was shot... then buried alive.. shovel after shovel of dirt being thrown on her face ... do you think she might of screamed in terror ... How long did she struggle ... Now liberals are concerned about a person taking too long to die. .. to pay for his crime.

Yeah, God forbid someone wants to believe that we're better than that sicko. The difference between you and me is this in a nutshell: You believe society should behave as sick as the offender. I do not. You believe that the Constitution which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment doesn't matter. I believe it does.

Carry on!