Is it true there was no holocaust?

[ceriserose 1]

Lets just say that the Brits are in general a little more aware of the effects of our little period of empire than some of our American cousins. That's partly what makes some of these discussions so frustrating - the unspoken assumption that the US has some sort of God given right to interfere in the affairs of other countries.

Exactly... you've seen first-hand what "empire" does.

Oh you've heard that God never let the sun set on the British Empire ?

That's because he couldn't trust those thieving devils in the dark.

[Hornet 2]

Peezey,

Please get some air. Here are some links to corruption in Palestine.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,995651,00.html

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/oreilly082602.asp

http://www.public-integrity.org/articles/publications15.htm

http://www.public-integrity.org/articles/publications5.htm

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3084

There is more information out there on the corruption. Just go to google and type in palestine+corruption+billions of money.

Lo and behold my money has been wasted going to palestine.

That corruption exists in the world is no big surprise. It usually happens in countries where the govt is not accountable to the people and there is poverty.

It doesn't change the historical facts of what happened to the Palestinians as a people and is continueing to this day.

What has the USA gotten from the $100,000,000,000 plus that we have given to Israel?

We help them oppress and occupy the West Bank and Gaza which is why the world thinks we're hipocrites.

Israel's population is 5.8 million people.

* The Israeli population size is ranked as the hundredth largest out of 238 countries in the world.

* The Israeli government is the largest recipient of US financial aid in the world.

* In 1997, the total of US grants and loan guarantees to Israel was USD 5.5 billion; ie, USD 15,068,493 per day.

There's corruption is the USA too, newsflash!!

And we supported Marcos in the Philippines, how much did he steal? And oppress?

Pinochet in Chile!!

Elsalvador?

Basically any dictator that would kiss our azz!!!

Freedom? yeah right

I'd fight back too if I was a Palestinian.

I've been to the middle east and was a Marine in the Gulf War so I've had my eyes opened to the reality there.

[peezey 0]

Peezey,

Please get some air. Here are some links to corruption in Palestine.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,995651,00.html

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/oreilly082602.asp

http://www.public-integrity.org/articles/publications15.htm

http://www.public-integrity.org/articles/publications5.htm

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3084

There is more information out there on the corruption. Just go to google and type in palestine+corruption+billions of money.

Lo and behold my money has been wasted going to palestine.

Um, yeah. When you post some neutral sources (and maybe some that aren't 4 years old), I'll discuss with you about the billions of money.

[payxibka 10,048]

Um, yeah. When you post some neutral sources (and maybe some that aren't 4 years old), I'll discuss with you about the billions of money.

What does the age of the article have to do with its validity. Are you inferring that somehow something magic has changed in the last four years that has made them invalid. We are talking about events and situations that have been occuring for eons.

[peezey 0]

Um, yeah. When you post some neutral sources (and maybe some that aren't 4 years old), I'll discuss with you about the billions of money.

What does the age of the article have to do with its validity. Are you inferring that somehow something magic has changed in the last four years that has made them invalid. We are talking about events and situations that have been occuring for eons.

a) yes events have changed, namely, Arafat is gone (all articles refer to Arafat) & B ) I said, cite sources that arent' riddled with bias, then we'll talk.

Edited December 25, 2006 by peezey

[payxibka 10,048]

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a) yes events have changed, namely, Arafat is gone (all articles refer to Arafat) & B ) I said, cite sources that arent' riddled with bias, then we'll talk.

I have no intention of engaging you or anybody else on this topic. My point was only your contention that the articles quoted are 4 years old and now somehow now they are invalid. This strikes me in the same way that now since Hitler, Eisenhower, Rommel and Montgomery are dead that the reports of WWII battles are not factual events. If you are not aware, Churchill, Stalin, Roosevelt are dead but the Conference at Yalta did in fact take place. You see the difference?

[Ban Hammer 14,286]

Lets just say that the Brits are in general a little more aware of the effects of our little period of empire than some of our American cousins. That's partly what makes some of these discussions so frustrating - the unspoken assumption that the US has some sort of God given right to interfere in the affairs of other countries.

Exactly... you've seen first-hand what "empire" does.

Oh you've heard that God never let the sun set on the British Empire ?

That's because he couldn't trust those thieving devils in the dark.

bwahahahhahahahaha

[rodney22 0]

Hornet,

Don't validate your arguments by saying you were over there as a Marine. So? I have been there 3 times. That is like someone saying "I am not racist, my best friend is so and so".

What has all the money bought us? The only country over there that is not counted as a Thirld World country is Israel. The "occupied lands"? That is funny, why didn't the Arabs give them some land.

[rodney22 0]

Peezey,

Next time I will only cite articles from Hamas, or Hezbollah. No need for bias here. Oh wait, I used Time, which backs the "palestine people", they seem to back the wrong side of most issues (abortion, against the death penalty, the so called liberation of palestine).

[Hornet 2]

Hornet,

Don't validate your arguments by saying you were over there as a Marine. So? I have been there 3 times. That is like someone saying "I am not racist, my best friend is so and so".

What has all the money bought us? The only country over there that is not counted as a Thirld World country is Israel. The "occupied lands"? That is funny, why didn't the Arabs give them some land.

I can validate my experiences any way I want to. The point was I'm not some naive american that has never been out of the USA. And just cause I'm ex-military doesn't mean that I agree with the way the IDF operates.

Saudi Arabia isn't Third World neither is Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait etc

"Third World" is an outdated Cold War term.

Just an example of American arrogance again.

[Nikita2Charles 33]

There's a HOLOCAST happening in the middle east, This time it's the same people that were oppressed by the German are now proud to be in charge, to be the Opressor, Their goal to eliminate or killed as many palestitians they can. When an helicopter launch a missile in a crowded market with many civilians by trying to assassinate a target( As Israel can play Judge + Jury+Executioner) To the rest of the world it's ok. When those folks try to fight back without any weapon, no 2 sided fight, what chance rocks have against bullet, those David and Goliah Days are no more, nowadays if they fight of course they'll be call Terrorist.

At time the target is missed and end up with many dead innocent civilians, when questioned about it. the IDF army response, we are very sorry those people died COLLATERAL DAMAGE

the Germans at the time of world war 2 saw those innocent jews as collateral damage, so what's the difference.

Edited December 26, 2006 by Nikita2Charles

[Alex+R 0]

There's a HOLOCAST happening in the middle east, This time it's the same people that were oppressed by the Germany are not proud to be the Opressor, Their goal to eliminate or killed as many palestitian they can. When an helicopter launch a missile in a crowded market with many civilian by trying to assassinate a target( As Israel can play Judge + Jury+Executioner) To the rest of the world it's ok.

At time the target is missed and end up with many dead innocent civilians, when questioned about it. the IDF army response, we are very sorry those people died COLLATERAL DAMAGE

the Germans at the time of world war 2 saw those innocent jews as collateral damage, so what's the difference.

Wow, Jew and Israeli are synonymous terms?? I had no idea. So, I guess you have every right to blame me and call me an Opressor, since my whole family save my grandma was killed by Nazis. I might as well have killed Palestinians with my own hands!

And they say anti-Zionist isn't the same as anti-Semitic... I'm not a Zionist, but people sure hate on me like I am one

[peezey 0]

Alex, I have no idea where people get their ideas, on either side, not that there are only two sides.

For everyone who continues to speak in generalities to serve their own biases:

All Jews do not = Israel or Israelis

All Israelis are not zionists

All Jews are not zionists

Zionists are not only Jews

All Israelis do not support the current IDF actions against Palestinians

All Jews do not support the current IDF actions against Palestinians

All Israeils do not deny the right of Palestine to exist

All Jews do not deny the right of Palestine to exist

All Palestinians are not Muslim

All Palestinians do not support violent means to peace

All Palestinians do not deny the right of Israel to exist

disagreement with zionism is not anti-semitic

disagreement with the actions of Israeli government is not anti-semitic

disagreement with US foreign policy in regards to monetary & military support to Israel while sanctioning Palestine is not anti-semitic nor is it pro-arab

Edited December 26, 2006 by peezey

[peezey 0]

Peezey,

Next time I will only cite articles from Hamas, or Hezbollah. No need for bias here. Oh wait, I used Time, which backs the "palestine people", they seem to back the wrong side of most issues (abortion, against the death penalty, the so called liberation of palestine).

You used ONE Time article focusing on Arafat, the rest are from WNND. No one is asking you to present Hamas articles, although those would be a find indeed. Just something without the goal of impuning arabs and Palestinians at every turn would be a decent start.

[mawilson 2,133]

Their goal to eliminate or killed as many palestitians they can.

If that was their goal, there would have been no Palestinians left.