RFE for I-751 HELP! What more can we do?

[ionianrain 4]

Please list what you originally sent. Then we can help you figure out what is may be required.

Hi and thank you for offering us to help

Here is our answer:

A list with all the items we included in the envelope explained in details: sent

Joint lease: sent

Bank Statements: sent (2 banks)

Accounts movement: sent

Cards (congratulating us on our marriage): sent

Water, sewage, internet, cable bills: we have nothing of the above

Cell phones: no family plans. Too expensive and you have to pay a lot more to call overseas where both our families live. Therefore we have 2 prepaid phones and couldn't send anything concerning cell phones.

Travel Medical Insurance: (costs a few bucks per month only) documents sent

Travel Medical Insurance Beneficiary: I have put my wife as such and the doc was sent too.

Tax Returns: sent

Last will: not sent; what to leave to my wife since I have nothing and she has nothing either?

Friends that know us affidavits: sent

Utilities: (just electric bill is all that we have); not sent since it is in my name and was opened 8 years before my wife's arrival.

Life insurance: can't afford

Healt insurance: can't afford

Credit Cards: just mine. nothing sent. wife had no credit history.

Pictures: (quite a few) sent

I.D.s with same residence: sent

Car: is in my name and bought well before my wife's arrival.

Still though, I have included her in the insurance and the document was sent too.

Itineraries: sent. 45 DAYS of HONEY MOON in Europe, while most in the States go a week in Cancun and that's it.

We also sent a bunch of other minor proofs.

List of what we included: sent

Result: the above mentioned story of the topic I have described.

Have they lost some of our documents? Could be, but that was NOT our fault, as you probably understand.

Now they claim they want more proofs and they ask the same docs and papers we have sent.

I will most probably re-send all and an explanatory letter in full details and if they still don't accept it, then we don't know what else to do...

[ionianrain 4]

You need evidence from the beginning of your marriage until now.

So how many bank statements? How long was the lease for? etc etc

Yes indeed and we know that, that is why all the proofs we included span the length of our marriage.

Lease: since the day she got here which was BEFORE we got married.

Bank: the same with the lease...

That is why I am saying, that they have no stand in reality when they say we didn't submit enough to prove our marriage while we submitted all we could and now they ask us to submit the same once again?

We were about to lose our mind at first but now we are calmer thanks to all of you guys and thanks to the fact that we are decided to continue living together, here, in another country or in another planet, it doesn't matter since we 'll be together.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Okay, so you mostly told us what you didn't send.

You did send, a joint lease, bank account, taxes, and an affidavit. 4 things. How many bank statements did you send? Just one per account? You could have added your wife to the utility bill with one phone call.

Why doesn't your wife have credit history? That is important for her to have to establish herself in the USA.

Just relax and look at your married life objectively. Do you work? Do you have your wife as emergency contact or anything?

Edited September 2, 2013 by Harpa Timsah

[ionianrain 4]

You need evidence from the beginning of your marriage until now.

So how many bank statements? How long was the lease for? etc etc

Both lease and bank docs where BOTH names are added, are dated BEFORE we even got married... Imagine...

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Both lease and bank docs where BOTH names are added, are dated BEFORE we even got married... Imagine...

You still didn't answer how many bank statements you sent.

[ionianrain 4]

Okay, so you mostly told us what you didn't send.

You did send, a joint lease, bank account, taxes, and an affidavit. 4 things. How many bank statements did you send? Just one per account? You could have added your wife to the utility bill with one phone call.

Why doesn't your wife have credit history? That is important for her to have to establish herself in the USA.

Just relax and look at your married life objectively. Do you work? Do you have your wife as emergency contact or anything?

We have sent statements from BOTH our banks since the day I have added my wife on them up until the date we 've sent the package.

We 've sent also, document from our Travel Medical Insurance where I have her as an emergency contact.

She does have credit history now, but we have no credit cards in common, exactly because in order to start building credit she had to get her own credit card; therefore there is no "joint" or common credit card where both our names are listed. Just mine and hers but both cards statements come to the same address.

As of the utility bill: a) I 'd rather not comment on the communication about the literally... nonexistent "name update" process plus b) if we do that now, perhaps it will be considered suspicious (as if they 'd think like "why they haven't done it for 2 years and they 've done it now that we sent the the RFE?").

On my answer to another friend in here I stated the rest of the documents we submitted.

If it took them almost 4 months to come and tell us that they need an RFE, then I hope it will take another 4 months to answer our second package to them, because by then we will be in the time frame to start the naturalization process and I 'll tell them what to do with their RFE letter...

Thanks for all the time and the kind will you show to help us. It gives us hope and strength.

[victorian221b 12]

Hi! I just want to let you know that I am in the same boat as you. I have received an RFE about 3 weeks ago and have since then been working on putting together a list of evidence to be submitted soon. From your post, it sounds like we have the exact same response - maybe the same people reviewed both of us! If it helps, you can search for a post I made under my username about what I had submitted and what I will be submitting. It also includes a few speculations that I think is the reason why I got an RFE. It's quite long though.

For some reason there's a small handful of people who thinks getting an RFE is a very bad thing. Just focus on those who have been in the same boat as you or willing to help. I have seen several who got RFEs and have been approved after. Just remember that this document approval process is just a simplified process to help make it easier for anyone who wants remove their conditions. It's more efficient than having to line up many applicants outside the office to be interviewed. I don't see the RFE as a bad thing - just a huge inconvenience.

We can't be here to judge because we don't know everyone's situation and it is all different. We all have our own stories.

Good luck!

We got a letter asking us for RFE to remove conditions and get the permanent residence.

The thing is that we provided them EVERYTHING we were supposed to and now they came back with a list of evidence. The issue is that this list, the evidence they ask are pretty much they SAME things we sent them at first...
They ask us to prove joint assets. WHAT assets since we have NOTHING. We live in an apartment that we rent so what do they want? Our clothes and shoes to prove them we own them together?

They say that the joint bank account we submitted "does not demonstrate much co-mingling of finances and does not show that you share responsibility for many assets and debts". I am wondering what do they expect a bank to show for a household of 2 where only one of us works and puts the food to the table? Then again: WHAT assets since I barely make 1.800 a month and we spend them all to eat a dish of food, pay the bills, to LIVE? What debts besides a credit card which is paid by... our joint bank account?

They claim that our bank account "does not cover a long enough period of the marriage" while I have put my wife in the bank account, since she first got here and BEFORE we even got married?

We REALLY don't know what else to send to them since like I said, we have included all in the first letter.

Any recommendations? Any ideas?

If anyone can help with the above questions, we would appreciate it.

Also: even if we submit whatever RFV we can find on top of what we first sent, what happens if they still deny the removal of conditions? Is my wife going to be deported?

Is there anyway we can ask for an audience by a court or something?

Please help up for we are about to lose our minds here.
We even think leaving the States if this is the price we have to pay to be together.
Thanks for reading, guys and gals and may God bless you all.

[Cheezees 1,514]

HOW MANY statements did you send from the day both names appeared? Monthly? Quarterly? Twice a year? A single statement from back then?

Seriously, we're trying to figure out why they would send you a RFE and your answers are vague. The lease and bank statements CANNOT be "the same". A lease holds for an entire year (usually) so over the 2 years, just 2 copies of leases will do. The bank statements should be more frequent than that. So again, how many statements were sent?

They could have lost your documents as we've seen that happen before. Or you could not have sent enough. I'm not sure if this was answered before but are the utilities included in the rent and on the lease?

[jkelly07 120]

tax transcripts the uscis would like much better then your tax returns 1040 w2,also it's best to send your banking statements quarterly or 4 per year,do you have a cell phone family plan,do you have any loans togather furniture or car,join sams club togather.

[tatisvans 36]

Hi ionianrain.

I really sorry to hear your situation, I will give you the list of the evidency we sent with the I-751, it may give you an idea of what else to send.... we do not have any joint lease, health insurance plan, bank account or house in both names, the only thing we own jointly is our car, maybe you can add your wife to the title of your car.

this is what we sent, maybe some things dont apply because it sounds like you both have no children, but for the rest it can give you an idea.

• Copy of my Green Card (Front and Back)

• Two passport-style photos.

• Copy of my Birth Certificate and its English translation.

• Copy of our Marriage Certificate and its English translation.

• Copy of Divorce Certificate of my husband;s previous marriage.

• Copy of my Social security number card.

• Copy of my California ID and my husband's California ID showing our current residence.
• Copy of the Social Security Cards of our kids.
• Copy of the birth Certificate of our daughter
• Copy of the Birth Certificate of our son.
• Copy of the taxes 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 "filling jointly". (from the year we got married)
• Copy of the IRS Refund Notice for 2009 and 2010
• Copies of my husband's passport showing his visits to Colombia to see me before we got married.
• Copy of our passports (my passport, my husbands passport, and our kids passports) showing trips together.
• Two affidavits by U.S. Citizen friends, attesting to our relationship and marriage.
• Copy of proof of Joint ownership and title of our automobile.
• Receipts of western union showing that my husband sent me money when I was waiting in Colombia for my conditional residency. (over 200 receipts)
• Cards of friends given to us in the baby shower of our son.
• Copy of bills and mails showing that we live in the same residence. (the bills were just the cable on my name and the phone and internet on my husbands name) (over 50 regular mails on my name or in his name showing same residency)
• Proof of my current pregnancy
• Album with over 100 Pictures together...... pictures before our marriage, engagement, wedding pictures, honey moon, visits of my husband to colombia while I was still waiting for my visa, pictures in the US, in vacations, with family, friends, etc, our whole life together in the album (I wrote in every picture where it was taken and the date, the first picture was our very first picture together at the airport and the last one was the most recent picture...)

I hope it can help and you got some ideas

Edited September 5, 2013 by tatisvans

[felo391971 4]

Just 1 more you can put your wife name on your CC .

I send a Copy of my and hers . She dosent have credit however they issue a CC on her name w. my Account .

Get a Life insurance they are supper cheap 2 to 6 dollars a month , even your bank will sale you a policy and name her as the beneficiary .

Also could you enter your time line for the ROC process ? I visit your profile and could not see your I 751 info

Just trying to help .

[ionianrain 4]

You need evidence from the beginning of your marriage until now.

So how many bank statements? How long was the lease for? etc etc

Lease: 9 years

Bank statements: since BEFORE we even got married with my wife, I have put her in my count. Some 200 pages of bank statements showing all our transactions on DAILY basis.

[ionianrain 4]

Just 1 more you can put your wife name on your CC .

I send a Copy of my and hers . She dosent have credit however they issue a CC on her name w. my Account .

Get a Life insurance they are supper cheap 2 to 6 dollars a month , even your bank will sale you a policy and name her as the beneficiary .

Also could you enter your time line for the ROC process ? I visit your profile and could not see your I 751 info

Just trying to help .

She has her own credit card for almost a year now.

When she didn't I issued her one under my credit's umbrella. Unfortunately, my credit card has no way to send me any letter stating that for a full year she had a card issued under my card's umbrella/protection.

I REALLY appreciate your kind and honest will to help, my friend.

[ionianrain 4]

Hi ionianrain.

I really sorry to hear your situation, I will give you the list of the evidency we sent with the I-751, it may give you an idea of what else to send.... we do not have any joint lease, health insurance plan, bank account or house in both names, the only thing we own jointly is our car, maybe you can add your wife to the title of your car.

this is what we sent, maybe some things dont apply because it sounds like you both have no children, but for the rest it can give you an idea.

• Copy of my Green Card (Front and Back)

• Two passport-style photos.

• Copy of my Birth Certificate and its English translation.

• Copy of our Marriage Certificate and its English translation.

• Copy of Divorce Certificate of my husband;s previous marriage.

• Copy of my Social security number card.

• Copy of my California ID and my husband's California ID showing our current residence.
• Copy of the Social Security Cards of our kids.
• Copy of the birth Certificate of our daughter
• Copy of the Birth Certificate of our son.
• Copy of the taxes 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 "filling jointly". (from the year we got married)
• Copy of the IRS Refund Notice for 2009 and 2010
• Copies of my husband's passport showing his visits to Colombia to see me before we got married.
• Copy of our passports (my passport, my husbands passport, and our kids passports) showing trips together.
• Two affidavits by U.S. Citizen friends, attesting to our relationship and marriage.
• Copy of proof of Joint ownership and title of our automobile.
• Receipts of western union showing that my husband sent me money when I was waiting in Colombia for my conditional residency. (over 200 receipts)
• Cards of friends given to us in the baby shower of our son.
• Copy of bills and mails showing that we live in the same residence. (the bills were just the cable on my name and the phone and internet on my husbands name) (over 50 regular mails on my name or in his name showing same residency)
• Proof of my current pregnancy
• Album with over 100 Pictures together...... pictures before our marriage, engagement, wedding pictures, honey moon, visits of my husband to colombia while I was still waiting for my visa, pictures in the US, in vacations, with family, friends, etc, our whole life together in the album (I wrote in every picture where it was taken and the date, the first picture was our very first picture together at the airport and the last one was the most recent picture...)

I hope it can help and you got some ideas

My dear friend

Thank you for the time spent to put all this info in here.

We have sent almost all the above things you 've mentioned (with a couple of exceptions since they didn't apply to our case) and still we got the RFE.

I ll stay in a couple of examples: in 2 years I have made 6 trips to Colombia to see my wife (gf back then).

I have my wife in my bank even before we even got married and sent all our statements which show our transactions on DAILY basis (more than 200 pages).

After having sent in reality not a few docs but almost a... box, a package with docs and still they sent me that first RFE, if I get a denial this time in our second attempt, I will look around to see how I can bring my case to the court and have a judge make a decision. I am more than just certain that the documents we have gathered, would convince a representative of the law and if not then we 'll pack and go live elsewhere, but won't do them the favor to separate us.

[ionianrain 4]

tax transcripts the uscis would like much better then your tax returns 1040 w2,also it's best to send your banking statements quarterly or 4 per year,do you have a cell phone family plan,do you have any loans togather furniture or car,join sams club togather.

All the above you mentioned, we have sent them. Bank statements? How about 200 pages where they show our transactions on DAILY basis and show that my wife was added in my bank way before we even got married? Still we got that RFE...

Loans no. We owe nothing to nobody. We are against owing money. Do we have to be slaves of the financial system just to convince someone? If you hear me frustrated, TRUST ME it is not against you that I am frustrated, but against the system. We live in the country of "freedom" and I won't alter my way of life, just to make the authorities believe us, the way THEY want us to make them believe. For instance: muslims are against borrowing or being borrowed money because it is against their religion. Should they change religion and owe money to the banks, just to convince the uscis? Seriously I don't understand them and I am about to lose my mind with the way this people handle other people's lives...