GLOBALIZATION/OUTSOURCING

[Nikita2Charles 33]

As more and more Jobs are moving overseas what will happen to the american middle class?

Vent or give your say on outsourcing and globalization.

""The problem is that the U.S. education system is not producing enough people with a math, science or engineering background to fill these vacancies, so we are having to look outside," said Jack Krumholtz, Microsoft's chief lobbyist in Washington"""

The shrinking of the middle class and NOW the

FAST MOVING GLOBALIZATION OF THE HIGH TECH INDUSTRY

MORE PECISELY

MOVING HIGH TECH JOBS TO ASIA.

IF you hear a lot of the business talking about their reason for doing Outsourcing, You would be enraged and feel shameful by what's going on

Are we (US ENGINEERS) All DUMBO who lost the edge, don't know anything about sciences, and now all the asian countries are considered the Top notch.

1) Where did all the technology comes from?

2) Who Facilitate or Developped most of these high tech technologies

3) Most of them came from Incubators RIGHT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

But if you were to beleive you would think we(US engineers don't know anything)

8 friends of mine lost their Jobs in Texas as programmer, All AMERICAN JOBS, They brought 8 software engineers from ASIA, Get you to train them, then after 5-6 months, Your whole Department is moved overseas to save cost. The Salary of 2 software engineers there in Houston Texas is paying for those 8 engineers there. So from one financial quater to the next

The company make a nefty $480,000 without lifting a finger, but at what cost,

8 People lost their Jobs, they have children, they have family, they have mortgage to Pay.

SINGAPORE GOVT PAY their citizen Salary when they go overseas for training.

The Singapore govt is giving Major Tax Brake to attract foreign corporation to move there, and when the company have the office in SIngapore, they send their singapore based employees to the US headquater for training, the Company don't even have to pay those folks salary while they are here, They do get paid, but that money is reimbursed by the Singapore Govt.

Now can you call that FAIR PRACTICE.

You spend years developing products to make the company successful, now they are asking you to train other engineers from overseas to take over your JOB.

INSULT TO INJURY

YOU guys are so great, So Efficient therefore your division is being chosen as the Super star to make the transition to Singapore.

In the High tech sector you don't have UNION, not that it would make much of a difference but it woud cause a Major HEADACHE

IF all those US ENGINEERS WALK OUT and Let those Foreign engineer whose coming here, Go to the Lab, do their own research, their own R&D, and Develop a new product, It's like your have your baby product and now somebody else is going to Reap the fruit of your sucesss.

TALKING DISCRIMINATION

US ENGINEER applied for a JOB that He's well qualified for, Even HR and Manager Agree that person is the perfect fit for the position. 2 weeks later no phone call, no feedback, finally when you get to the bottom of it.

I AM SORRY (SLIP UP BY HR LADY)

THIS JOB (REQ is RESERVED FOR AN HB1 VISA PERSON FROM INDIA)

Meaning IF you go to India and applied for the position you WOULD HAVE GOT HIRED>

I am sure it's not the 1st time and the only place that has taken place

US ENGINEERS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST in favor of FOREIGN NATIONAL

SO I GET REALLY TIRED AT TIME WHEN I HEAR ABOUT ALL OF THESE CRAPS!!!

The problem is that the U.S. education system is not producing enough people with a math, science or engineering background to fill these vacancies, so we are having to look outside," said Jack Krumholtz, Microsoft's chief lobbyist in Washington.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

That's one aspect, but if you look at the broad picture of our economy, it has transformed into a consumer driven economy. Remember Silicon Valley and the boom of technology? We've lost that edge. We've lost it as corporations have looked elsewhere for cheaper labor.

It's a jacked-up mentality that we've adopted. On one hand, we want really cheap toilet bowl brushes, but we prefer to buy the more expensive cars.

We can bring production back into America by support and believing in the brand, 'American Made'. We can remain competitive by establish fair trade, particularly with China.

There is a better way and there are solutions - it's a matter of getting enough Americans to believe that we can do better.

[cmartyn 0]

Here is the deal.

Developing software has become expensive and difficult work. It shouoldn't be but it is. Thats a topic for another thread in and of itself.

Companies farm the work out to the lowest bidder. These companies with the lowest bids are all asian based.

End of story.

[mikeize 0]

Not just software...

in this age of globalization, and the US primarily consumers... so much can and will be outsourced to the lowest bidder. It's "free-trade" isn't it? I want to know when labor will move as freely as goods. Not anytime soon I guess, if we're building walls to keep it out.

Globalization is a crazy ride because of the inherent discrepancies between nations/regions and the antiquated notions of statehood. Still, maybe it is the best way to get to where we need to go. I don't know...

-mike

edit: I've been drinking straight from the bottle tonight...

Edited December 2, 2006 by mikeize

[Nikita2Charles 33]

I agree with most of what was said, I fear for the next generation coming up specially in the High tech sector, computer sciences, They will have to go to Asia for work.

[Irisheyes 0]

Did anyone see the Morgan Spurlock "30 days" show where they covered this issue?

They sent a computer programmer guy whose job had been outsourced to India over there to work in a call centre. At first and understandably, since he and his wife had recently had a baby, he was pretty pi$$ed about the whole thing. By the end of the 30 days he was of the opinion that they were welcome to it, when he saw for himself the gross poverty and living standards over there and what these companies were doing to bring up their economy. I know that's not their objective, but it is a direct effect. More american businesses move into the areas to accomodate the american community, thereby creating more revenue and employment for locals.

It was pretty interesting and I guess it all depends on where you are standing at the time!

Edited for spelling, bleh!

Edited December 2, 2006 by Irisheyes

[pedroh 21]

but there's a high rate of dropping school, not only in high school but college too.. as stated in other posts, if this guy graduates from HS and starts working to save money from college, gets into retail, suddenly he becomes a manager after a couple of years and makes good money, there's really not an incentive to go back to school to go study those high tech careers.. and if the american market demands high tech people, where they are gonna get it? if its more profitable for me to become a dry wall worker or a plumber rather than an IT person or software programmer..

[Nikita2Charles 33]

but there's a high rate of dropping school, not only in high school but college too.. as stated in other posts, if this guy graduates from HS and starts working to save money from college, gets into retail, suddenly he becomes a manager after a couple of years and makes good money, there's really not an incentive to go back to school to go study those high tech careers.. and if the american market demands high tech people, where they are gonna get it? if its more profitable for me to become a dry wall worker or a plumber rather than an IT person or software programmer..

At least any manual jobs you won't have to worry about it being outsourced. hmmm maybe then the business community will fight even harder to bring more H1 visa people for overseas to compreess wages for those folks that have to be here, like they will say we don't have enough plumber, electrician who can do the jobs here we need to bring more from overseas, then maybe back to slavery where you work for free.

[pedroh 21]

but there's a high rate of dropping school, not only in high school but college too.. as stated in other posts, if this guy graduates from HS and starts working to save money from college, gets into retail, suddenly he becomes a manager after a couple of years and makes good money, there's really not an incentive to go back to school to go study those high tech careers.. and if the american market demands high tech people, where they are gonna get it? if its more profitable for me to become a dry wall worker or a plumber rather than an IT person or software programmer..

At least any manual jobs you won't have to worry about it being outsourced. hmmm maybe then the business community will fight even harder to bring more H1 visa people for overseas to compreess wages for those folks that have to be here, like they will say we don't have enough plumber, electrician who can do the jobs here we need to bring more from overseas, then maybe back to slavery where you work for free.

but because of manual jobs I think there's the need for business or high tech outsourcing.. like in this area, which is big in drywall and sandrying or something (lol)... if a kid's dad already makes good money with that manual job, why would he feel a need to go study software programming.. But I think it's also part of the American 'meritocracy' system rather than the 'show me your title' like in other countries which causes more manual or business-not-specifical(like retail) jobs rather than high tech or special skill jobs..