Eric Holder says Texas ID law would harm minorities

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

No valid picture ID then no vote. It's as simple as that. It's not rocket science.

[rocks 494]

No valid picture ID then no vote. It's as simple as that. It's not rocket science.

Are you going to pay for their birth certificates?

[Teddy B 17,252]

Are you going to pay for their ID?

Rumor has it that the feds are going to kick the rest of the deadbeats still living in FEMA trailers since Hurricane Katrina out of their trailers and sell them all for scrap metal money to fund the id project. I'm on board.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Are you going to pay for their birth certificates?

If someone can't afford an ID, birth certificate, whatever then it's obvious they have more problems to deal with than voting. If they can't get a proper valid picture ID then tuff titty for them. Too bad, so sad.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[rocks 494]

If someone can't afford an ID, birth certificate, whatever then it's obvious they have more problems to deal with voting. If they can't get a proper valid picture ID then though titty for them. Too bad, so sad.

Unfortunately for you, that stance is unconstitutional. I thought you were a republican.

Under the United States Constitution, states may not restrict voting rights in ways that infringe one's right to equal protection under the law (Fourteenth Amendment), on the basis of race (Fifteenth Amendment), gender (Nineteenth Amendment), or age for persons age 18 and older (Twenty-Sixth Amendment).

[Teddy B 17,252]

If someone can't afford an ID, birth certificate, whatever then it's obvious they have more problems to deal with than voting. If they can't get a proper valid picture ID then though titty for them. Too bad, so sad.

If you're over 18 years of age and can't scrape up $10 for a photo id, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. I really wish that voting was a privelage like driving a car, rather than a constitutional right, at least you have to pass a test to drive.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Teddy B

[kytwell 179]

I read this far. You like waltzing into threads, making some ignorant comment and thinking you're right about it. You are always wrong though, you seem very desperate.I haven't changed the parameters, you changed the parameters. You need an ID to get a birth certificate, for which you must pay $15. I wasn't aware that you could charge people to vote, I guess I missed that part of the constitution. YOU were the one who brought up the other forms of ID, one of which is SS card. Please provide the list of documents required or just shut up and admit defeat.Are you going to pay for their ID?

Read more. You are wrong! Also pick an adjective: dishonest, attempted to mislead, etc, etc. And waltzing is preferable to doing the 2 step . Admit defeat, new parameter now too, am I going to pay? No not for citizens of Mississippi or Texas, for Pennsylvania possibly.

You keep changing the parameters and continue to make up more asinine scenario's to be able to fit some convoluted, irrational, illogical way of thinking.When I got divorced I was able to get replacement birth certs and social security cards for my 3 children, they had no photo ID's, work cards or school ID's. So it is possible. It's also possible to all the people who have their homes destroyed daily in fires and lose all documents and possessions. But to answer your question, take the SNAP/EBT card and utility bill, (or have a child, sibling, parent, etc. who does have a valid photo ID) and go get your birth certificate. Got it, you will now have your birth certificate. Then take your birth certificate to go get a US passport. Now take said passport and birth cert and go get your Social security card replacement. Problem solved!

I already posted how to get a birth cert in your state. But to refresh your memory:

Source: http://msdh.ms.gov/phs/forms/Form%20522E_20110318.pdf

This is how to get a passport:Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):Previously issued, undamaged U.S. PassportCertified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state

* Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth

Naturalization Certificate Certificate of CitizenshipIf you cannot present primary identification, you must submit as much secondary identification as possible.A Combination of Identifying DocumentsPresent a combination of documents that can be used to verify your personal identity.

An identifying witness is a person who can swear to your identity. He or she must:

Be present at the time of application

Have known you for at least 2 years

Be a U.S. citizen or permanent residentHave valid IDFill out Form DS-71: Affidavit of Identifying Witness in the presence of a Passport AgentNOTE: Form DS-71 is only available at your local Acceptance Facility or a Passport Agency.

Source: http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html#step3first

To get a SS replacement:Citizenship

If you have not already established your U.S. citizenship with us, we need to see proof of U.S. citizenship. We can accept only certain documents as proof of U.S. citizenship. These include a U.S. birth certificate or U.S. passport.Identity

We can accept only certain documents as proof of identity. An acceptable document must be current (not expired) and show your name, identifying information (date of birth or age) and preferably a recent photograph.

For example, as proof of identity Social Security must see your:

U.S. driver’s license;State-issued nondriver identification card; orU.S. passport.

Source: http://www.ssa.gov/ssnumber/ss5doc.htm#r-a-us-documents

Critical thinking, problem solving and initiative are how I do things. Others like to use the "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull!@#$" tactic.So, please don't come back with anymore Dr. Seuss scenario's. The overwhelming majority of problems/issues can be solved, we just need to open our eyes and set mind to purpose.

Edited July 12, 2012 by kytwell

[rocks 494]

Read more. You are wrong! Also pick an adjective: dishonest, attempted to mislead, etc, etc. And waltzing is preferable to doing the 2 step . Admit defeat, new parameter now too, am I going to pay? No not for citizens of Mississippi or Texas, for Pennsylvania possibly.

So now people should pay for a passport to get a birth certificate? They cant make people pay to vote, are you proposing they re-introduce the poll tax?

You highlighted birth certificate for some reason, obviously this person doesn't have one... You have the memory of a sieve. There is no point in continuing this pointless conversation. You are wrong, move on.

If you're over 18 years of age and can't scrape up $10 for a photo id, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. I really wish that voting was a privelage like driving a car, rather than a constitutional right, at least you have to pass a test to drive.

They should bring back the literacy tests so that you can't vote either.

Shouldn't you be making fun of 9/11 vicitms?

Edited July 12, 2012 by rocks

[JohnR! 5,495]

Unfortunately for you, that stance is unconstitutional. I thought you were a republican.

That attitude towards the Constitution is very Republican. They only invoke the constitution when their own rights are at stake, never for those of others...

Edited July 12, 2012 by Gegel

[rocks 494]

I am not sure why you are surprised. That attitude towards the Constitution is very Republican. They only invoke the constitution when their own rights are at stake, never for those of others...

I'm not surprised, just pointing out the obvious.

[kytwell 179]

You highlighted birth certificate for some reason, obviously this person doesn't have one... You have the memory of a sieve. There is no point in continuing this pointless conversation. You are wrong, move on.

Do you need it in braille? I have already stated how to get a birth certificate(BC) without a SS card. Read. Once you have BC, there's no stopping you to getting a US passport and then onto your SS replacement card.

[rocks 494]

Do you need it in braille? I have already stated how to get a birth certificate(BC) without a SS card. Read. Once you have BC, there's no stopping you to getting a US passport and then onto your SS replacement card.

Go back and read my response instead of giving arrogant responses to your own comments. If the person is employed with no work ID (like me) they must have a SS card. Admit defeat.

How can you justify charging people for a birth certificate to get an ID?

You STILL haven't addressed how people are supposed to get to the DMV to get their ID. They are open 8.30-5 monday - friday, when people are at work.

Your argument has been over for a long time. Why keep it going?

Edited July 12, 2012 by rocks

[kytwell 179]

Delusional much...

If the person is employed with no work ID (like me) they must have a SS card.

What documents do you need to get a replacement social security card? I see that you like making lists, make a list of their options.

I did this already, as well as on how to get a birth certificate. Your arguments hold no water, because you have no valid argument. Try and stay on point, this is what I alluded to with the ever changing parameters. You're all over the place, they have one, don't have one, need one, don't need one. Make up your mind. There is a workable solution to every scenario you dream up. I am done with the what if's though. All the answers are in the links I have provided to you, free of charge.

As for how to get to the DMV. You do not need to go there to get a passport, social security card or birth certificate. As you well know a passport is a valid ID, which would avoid the need to go to the DMV, for those that don't drive. Again problem solved. Think outside the box sometimes, it's enlightening.

Edited July 12, 2012 by kytwell

[rocks 494]

I did this already, as well as on how to get a birth certificate. Your arguments hold no water, because you have no valid argument. Try and stay on point, this is what I alluded to with the ever changing parameters. You're all over the place, they have one, don't have one, need one, don't need one. Make up your mind. There is a workable solution to every scenario you dream up. I am done with the what if's though. All the answers are in the links I have provided to you, free of charge.

As for how to get to the DMV. You do not need to go there to get a passport, social security card or birth certificate. As you well know a passport is a valid ID, which would avoid the need to go to the DMV, for those that don't drive. Again problem solved. Think outside the box sometimes, it's enlightening.

As I said, you lost the argument a long time ago.

I said they don't have a SS card, which is what they would need to apply for a birth certificate. Clearly this simple notion is too complicated for you.

Passports are too expensive, that is not an option. Point out to me where it says in the constitution that the government can charge people money to vote. This also applies to forcing someone to apply for a birth certificate, which takes a long time. How can you justify making someone pay to vote? Are they bringing back the poll tax?

Only someone out of touch with reality and has no knowledge of the constitution would suggest this.

Here is the list of documents for a passport:

Previously issued, undamaged U.S. passport

Naturalization Certificate

Valid Driver's License

Current Government ID (city, state or federal)

Current Military ID (military and dependents)

You're really very bad at this.

How do you get to the DMV to get an ID if they are only open 8.30-5 monday - friday? You have avoided this question about 5 times now.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Go back and read my response instead of giving arrogant responses to your own comments. If the person is employed with no work ID (like me) they must have a SS card. Admit defeat.

How can you justify charging people for a birth certificate to get an ID?

You STILL haven't addressed how people are supposed to get to the DMV to get their ID. They are open 8.30-5 monday - friday, when people are at work.

Your argument has been over for a long time. Why keep it going?

All these whining excuses for things normal, hard-working Americans take for granted. I am surprised you survive without a feeding tube and a colostomy bag, since you don't seem to think people should be forced to eat and poop on their own.