SCOTUS Health Care debate

[james&olya 1,121]

Obamacare minus the mandate could do just fine if you stop requiring and instead forbid ER's from treating the uninsured unless they can pay cash at time of service!

The best solution would be for Obamacare to die and be replaced with 'Medicare-for-all'!

[luckytxn 2,263]

Or stop the Feds from over reaching and let the states do it if the citizens want it.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Or stop the Feds from over reaching and let the states do it if the citizens want it.

Start with repealing the federal mandate for hospitals to provide services to freeloaders. Ensure that health insurance is available to all that want it. But let those that chose to go without while young and healthy fend for themselves - no free ride for those that have no sense of personal responsibility.

[luckytxn 2,263]

Start with repealing the federal mandate for hospitals to provide services to freeloaders. Ensure that health insurance is available to all that want it. But let those that chose to go without while young and healthy fend for themselves - no free ride for those that have no sense of personal responsibility.

Have no problems with that but SCOTUS is deciding this issue. Feds did a huge over reach and they will repeal Obamacare. So tough.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

There is a huge difference. Giving the Feds the power to force citizens to buy products opens up a lot of potential abuse.

Are you saying that Congress doesn't not have any constitutional power to regulate commerce?

[MyLittlePony 340]

Obamacare is good what is so bad about it Canada provides healthcare for everyone illegals who jump our borders get free health care.

[luckytxn 2,263]

Are you saying that Congress doesn't not have any constitutional power to regulate commerce?

Between states.Not forcing of buying products. Whatever is not authorized to the Feds are a state issue.

[MyLittlePony 340]

What so awful about free stuff.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Between states.Not forcing of buying products. Whatever is not authorized to the Feds are a state issue.

Health care crosses state lines. The hospital I work at, we take in patients flown in from New Mexico, Colorado, and Nevada. That's interstate commerce and well within the Congress' jurisdiction to regulate.

[luckytxn 2,263]

Health care crosses state lines. The hospital I work at, we take in patients flown in from New Mexico, Colorado, and Nevada. That's interstate commerce and well within the Congress' jurisdiction to regulate.

They can regulate coverage just not force citizens to purchase. Look the court will overturn. Get used to it.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

They can regulate coverage just not force citizens to purchase. Look the court will overturn. Get used to it.

The ACA forces insurance companies to provide coverage even to those they normally would deny because they are high risk. How is that any different? Why aren't the insurance companies challenging the constitutionality of that?

[luckytxn 2,263]

The ACA forces insurance companies to provide coverage even to those they normally would deny because they are high risk. How is that any different? Why aren't the insurance companies challenging the constitutionality of that?

If they think it is unconstitutional they should. Now the court decides this issue.

[james&olya 1,121]

They can regulate coverage just not force citizens to purchase. Look the court will overturn. Get used to it.

You are wrong about whether you can be forced to buy health insurance. You are paying for insurance now for when you are 65. It is called Medicare and it is well within the prerogative of the federal government to do this. The ACA differs only in involving the private insurance companies rather than it being federally run medicare for all.

Your hypocrite repubs talk out of both sides of their mouth. They are very eager to privatise medicare, yet they oppose Obamacare because it requires purchase of a service from a private company. If it were Medicare they could not oppose it on these grounds. Of course, one may rightfully wonder if their objective in seeing medicare privatised is so that they can then attack it on constitutional grounds and have it overturned. They have historically always been opposed to it as well as that other socialist program, Social Security!

Edited March 28, 2012 by james&olya

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You are wrong about whether you can be forced to buy health insurance. You are paying for insurance now for when you are 65. It is called Medicare and it is well within the prerogative of the federal government to do this. The ACA differs only in involving the private insurance companies rather than it being federally run medicare for all.

Your hypocrite repubs talk out of both sides of their mouth. They are very eager to privatise medicare, yet they oppose Obamacare because it requires purchase of a service from a private company. If it were Medicare they could not oppose it on these grounds. Of course, one may rightfully wonder if their objective in seeing medicare privatised is so that they can then attack it on constitutional grounds and have it overturned. They have historically always been opposed to it as well as that other socialist program, Social Security!

Yes, but the problem with the ACA is that it is NOT a tax, but a fine. Congress can legislate a tax that would be used to supplement sugar cane growers, but if a law were passed requiring each citizen to purchase a minimum amount of sugar cane, then that would be difficult enforce on constitutional grounds, unless, it could be argued that sugar is a necessity and that all of us eventually would need to consume sugar in order to live. That's the dinger in the insurance mandate. It's not sugar cane and it's not broccoli. Health care is a necessity by all.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Health care is a necessity by all.

Not really...