What's the story with American Women?

[KarenCee 3]

Why are so many men like ourselves seeking wives overseas? What has changed in American women that sucessful, intelligent (albeit not-so-handsome as Mel Gibson) men such as oursleves choose to go overseas to find a decent companion??

I'd be curious to discover the motivations my fellow man has for going overseas to find a spouse.

Could it be that nothing has changed in the American woman, and it may be something in or about the successful, intelligent men that has?

So true! My ex is an uneducated person - by choice. He hates the fact that I am educated and can hold a conversation that includes words with more than four letters. I chose to be educated. If American men can't handle an educated American Woman then it appears it is HIM with the issues...not the woman.

There are a lot of american women marrying men from other counties too.... so... I guess I could ask: what's wrong with you?

YUP! I found my love in another country. So it seems that the OP's insinuations are baseless as there are probably just as many American Women finding the love of their life in another country.

To honour my heritage as an American Woman...a Native American Woman....I am proud to be Native American from the Cherokee...and a woman. My husband is just as proud.

Edited October 2, 2006 by KarenCee

[Fuzzness 2]

What exactly is wrong with american women?

and native americans are still americans

if i have ancestry with the mi'qmaq tribe in nova scotia does that make me native canadian?

[PlatyPius 5]

What exactly is wrong with american women?

and native americans are still americans

if i have ancestry with the mi'qmaq tribe in nova scotia does that make me native canadian?

If you have *ancestry* with any tribe, then no. I would say you are a Canadian. Technically, you could be a "native Canadian" though, since you were born there. If your parents, on the other hand, were mi'qmaq; then you would be mi'qmaq.

What I was pointing out is that the tribes of United States have their own governments, their own way of doing things, and they were here first. My personal experience is with the Arapaho and the Shoshone. Many find the term "Native American" insulting. In essence, they are being named after their conquerer.

Imagine that America (US) was attacked and conquered by Elbonia; a bloody, cruel nation, utterly different from ourselves in all cultural matters. Would you happily begin calling yourself an Elbonian, or would you call yourself an American still?

[Fandango 1,440]

What exactly is wrong with american women?

and native americans are still americans

if i have ancestry with the mi'qmaq tribe in nova scotia does that make me native canadian?

If you have *ancestry* with any tribe, then no. I would say you are a Canadian. Technically, you could be a "native Canadian" though, since you were born there. If your parents, on the other hand, were mi'qmaq; then you would be mi'qmaq.

What I was pointing out is that the tribes of United States have their own governments, their own way of doing things, and they were here first. My personal experience is with the Arapaho and the Shoshone. Many find the term "Native American" insulting. In essence, they are being named after their conquerer.

Imagine that America (US) was attacked and conquered by Elbonia; a bloody, cruel nation, utterly different from ourselves in all cultural matters. Would you happily begin calling yourself an Elbonian, or would you call yourself an American still?

Actually, that's a very excellent point...

[Caladan 19]

Okay, first off. If you want to say 'my wife changed her mind/lied/etc/ruined our marriage', please recognize that when you try to say that she was bad/lied/broke the deal and you say 'became Americanized', not only is that insulting, but it makes you look a bit of a fool who thinks being an American is catching like a disease. It would be sort of like saying 'gone native' or 'acting black.' It's insulting, and indicative of a mind that seems to classify all women as the same based on national origin.

(And really, that's the problem, when you see women as members of a class with identical characteristics. Note: you could find plenty of American women whose parents raise them to be good submissive wives, who don't even have middle names because their parents want them to move their maiden name to their middle name upon marriage. It's a big country!)

I don't know if changing one's mind about life goals counts as breaking the marriage contract. Depends on the couple, but most of the married couples I know have had to make compromises: because his career didn't go as well as expected, because her mother had to move in, because her career took off and she wanted to postpone kids a few years, because he had a midlife crisis and wanted to switch careers, because he had some medical bills that meant the rose garden he promised withered. Any marriage is going to change over time, and I expect that if your dealbreaker is no-change-in-my-mate ever!, you've been sold a bill of goods and you're never going to be happy. We're all going to get old and ugly.

[mawilson 2,133]

Wrong! I'm down on you for putting this out there:

oh, and it's 'downing me' ...you are 'downing me' for my comment....most certainly not 'down on me'

[PurrSuede 0]

oh, and it's 'downing me' ...you are 'downing me' for my comment....most certainly not 'down on me'

And I most certainly did not say, nor imply "go down on you" either... sheesh...

Now you're going to teach me how to speak English?? Or American?? Or any other version of the native tongue?? Criminy...

-- Dan

[PurrSuede 0]

I don't know if changing one's mind about life goals counts as breaking the marriage contract.

I don't know either, but I think that it's the USCIS that will decide if this counts as breaking the K-1 and Lifting of Conditions "contract" that she indicated she would fulfill in order to be allowed to enter the country.

And frankly, it's between her and the USCIS and they will do as they see fit with her situation.

Depends on the couple, but most of the married couples I know have had to make compromises: because his career didn't go as well as expected, because her mother had to move in, because her career took off and she wanted to postpone kids a few years, because he had a midlife crisis and wanted to switch careers, because he had some medical bills that meant the rose garden he promised withered. Any marriage is going to change over time, and I expect that if your dealbreaker is no-change-in-my-mate ever!, you've been sold a bill of goods and you're never going to be happy. We're all going to get old and ugly.

Seems to me this is part of being a couple, this is what it MEANS to be part of a marriage, to give and take, both persons are participating IN the marriage.

Let's put it to you this way. Someone, a USC is courting you. And tells you how interested they are in "home, family, children" as values and goals in a marriage. And you, naturally, tell then, that yes, your goals and interests are the same. And since you appear to be pursuing similar goals you become engaged and decide to be married to pursue these similar goals and ambitions in your relationship together.

And they bring you to America and you enter on a K-1, you get married, and lo and behold.... you "change your mind" not only about your goals, but even about ~being married~ itself.

Certainly people in marriages make compromises and change their minds about things and situations all the time.

However, one could certainly argue that there was POSSIBLE misrepresentation, and POSSIBLE fraudulent intent from the beginning for somone to hold out supposed marital values under the guise of "yes, this is what I want from a marriage, let me into your country, I'll marry you and then..." OOOPS, never mind, I changed my mind, now that I'm here, this isn't what I -really- wanted...

Think about it. This isn't about changing your mind what shoes you want to wear to work today, or whether you want chicken or fish for dinner. I pray that this may NEVER happen to the people who've bothered to read this thread.

-- Dan

[Fandango 1,440]

I don't know if changing one's mind about life goals counts as breaking the marriage contract.

I don't know either, but I think that it's the USCIS that will decide if this counts as breaking the K-1 and Lifting of Conditions "contract" that she indicated she would fulfill in order to be allowed to enter the country.

And frankly, it's between her and the USCIS and they will do as they see fit with her situation.

Depends on the couple, but most of the married couples I know have had to make compromises: because his career didn't go as well as expected, because her mother had to move in, because her career took off and she wanted to postpone kids a few years, because he had a midlife crisis and wanted to switch careers, because he had some medical bills that meant the rose garden he promised withered. Any marriage is going to change over time, and I expect that if your dealbreaker is no-change-in-my-mate ever!, you've been sold a bill of goods and you're never going to be happy. We're all going to get old and ugly.

Seems to me this is part of being a couple, this is what it MEANS to be part of a marriage, to give and take, both persons are participating IN the marriage.

Let's put it to you this way. Someone, a USC is courting you. And tells you how interested they are in "home, family, children" as values and goals in a marriage. And you, naturally, tell then, that yes, your goals and interests are the same. And since you appear to be pursuing similar goals you become engaged and decide to be married to pursue these similar goals and ambitions in your relationship together.

And they bring you to America and you enter on a K-1, you get married, and lo and behold.... you "change your mind" not only about your goals, but even about ~being married~ itself.

Certainly people in marriages make compromises and change their minds about things and situations all the time.

However, one could certainly argue that there was POSSIBLE misrepresentation, and POSSIBLE fraudulent intent from the beginning for somone to hold out supposed marital values under the guise of "yes, this is what I want from a marriage, let me into your country, I'll marry you and then..." OOOPS, never mind, I changed my mind, now that I'm here, this isn't what I -really- wanted...

Think about it. This isn't about changing your mind what shoes you want to wear to work today, or whether you want chicken or fish for dinner. I pray that this may NEVER happen to the people who've bothered to read this thread.

-- Dan

Don't you think it'd be a wise choice to actually date someone face to face for a change?

[homesick_american 1]

What exactly is wrong with american women?

and native americans are still americans

if i have ancestry with the mi'qmaq tribe in nova scotia does that make me native canadian?

If you have *ancestry* with any tribe, then no. I would say you are a Canadian. Technically, you could be a "native Canadian" though, since you were born there. If your parents, on the other hand, were mi'qmaq; then you would be mi'qmaq.

What I was pointing out is that the tribes of United States have their own governments, their own way of doing things, and they were here first. My personal experience is with the Arapaho and the Shoshone. Many find the term "Native American" insulting. In essence, they are being named after their conquerer.

Imagine that America (US) was attacked and conquered by Elbonia; a bloody, cruel nation, utterly different from ourselves in all cultural matters. Would you happily begin calling yourself an Elbonian, or would you call yourself an American still?

So what should we call them now? First it was Indians, then Native Americans...what's the inoffensive collective term du jour?

[PsychoKat 0]

What exactly is wrong with american women?

and native americans are still americans

if i have ancestry with the mi'qmaq tribe in nova scotia does that make me native canadian?

If you have *ancestry* with any tribe, then no. I would say you are a Canadian. Technically, you could be a "native Canadian" though, since you were born there. If your parents, on the other hand, were mi'qmaq; then you would be mi'qmaq.

What I was pointing out is that the tribes of United States have their own governments, their own way of doing things, and they were here first. My personal experience is with the Arapaho and the Shoshone. Many find the term "Native American" insulting. In essence, they are being named after their conquerer.

Imagine that America (US) was attacked and conquered by Elbonia; a bloody, cruel nation, utterly different from ourselves in all cultural matters. Would you happily begin calling yourself an Elbonian, or would you call yourself an American still?

So what should we call them now? First it was Indians, then Native Americans...what's the inoffensive collective term du jour?

I just could't help it, I had to jump in here on a technicality.

America is not just the United states, Canada is part of America so if one is a native of that area they technically speaking are Native Americans. South America...is also America...soooo....well the whole idea of putting a fence at the southern border to protect America is well humorous

I tried to inform the Minutemen of this but they are still wanting to put a fence around America...kinda defeats their purpose I would say

[Dr. Obvious 49]

I glanced at that and thought that he was holding two bottles of beer and thought it would explain a lot.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

What exactly is wrong with american women?

and native americans are still americans

if i have ancestry with the mi'qmaq tribe in nova scotia does that make me native canadian?

If you have *ancestry* with any tribe, then no. I would say you are a Canadian. Technically, you could be a "native Canadian" though, since you were born there. If your parents, on the other hand, were mi'qmaq; then you would be mi'qmaq.

What I was pointing out is that the tribes of United States have their own governments, their own way of doing things, and they were here first. My personal experience is with the Arapaho and the Shoshone. Many find the term "Native American" insulting. In essence, they are being named after their conquerer.

Imagine that America (US) was attacked and conquered by Elbonia; a bloody, cruel nation, utterly different from ourselves in all cultural matters. Would you happily begin calling yourself an Elbonian, or would you call yourself an American still?

So what should we call them now? First it was Indians, then Native Americans...what's the inoffensive collective term du jour?

I just could't help it, I had to jump in here on a technicality.

America is not just the United states, Canada is part of America so if one is a native of that area they technically speaking are Native Americans. South America...is also America...soooo....well the whole idea of putting a fence at the southern border to protect America is well humorous

I tried to inform the Minutemen of this but they are still wanting to put a fence around America...kinda defeats their purpose I would say

I say let's make the America's like the European Union!

[homesick_american 1]

What exactly is wrong with american women?

and native americans are still americans

if i have ancestry with the mi'qmaq tribe in nova scotia does that make me native canadian?

If you have *ancestry* with any tribe, then no. I would say you are a Canadian. Technically, you could be a "native Canadian" though, since you were born there. If your parents, on the other hand, were mi'qmaq; then you would be mi'qmaq.

What I was pointing out is that the tribes of United States have their own governments, their own way of doing things, and they were here first. My personal experience is with the Arapaho and the Shoshone. Many find the term "Native American" insulting. In essence, they are being named after their conquerer.

Imagine that America (US) was attacked and conquered by Elbonia; a bloody, cruel nation, utterly different from ourselves in all cultural matters. Would you happily begin calling yourself an Elbonian, or would you call yourself an American still?

So what should we call them now? First it was Indians, then Native Americans...what's the inoffensive collective term du jour?

I just could't help it, I had to jump in here on a technicality.

America is not just the United states, Canada is part of America so if one is a native of that area they technically speaking are Native Americans. South America...is also America...soooo....well the whole idea of putting a fence at the southern border to protect America is well humorous

I tried to inform the Minutemen of this but they are still wanting to put a fence around America...kinda defeats their purpose I would say

Mmmmkay, doesn't really answer my question.

[GaryC 7]

I say let's make the America's like the European Union!

You GOT to be kidding!! I would NEVER want to give up our national identity like that! I'm sorry Steven but that has to be the worst idea I have ever heard!