i864 vs i864

[jndlove 0]

I'm getting all my materials ready and I'm all done except for the financial stuff. I know I have to file the i-864 but since I am unemployed I have my sisters and father who have offered to help us. However I am confused do they complete the i864 AND i864a or ONLY the i864? Help please!

[ceadsearc 516]

The spouse fills out the I-864. If your co-sponsor lives in your household they fill out the I-864A. If they do not they fill out the I-864. Do your father and sisters live together? If not you will probably not be able to use both.

[bigdog 376]

Good luck, on your K1.

[Travis and Meghan 24]

My mother in law is my co sponsor and we live in the same household but she filled out the I-864 for us to be on the safe side. We thought about doing the I-864a but the dependants weren't adding up correctly and we read about some people having had problems with that so decided it safer to just get her to fill out the I-864 instead.

[jndlove 0]

The spouse fills out the I-864. If your co-sponsor lives in your household they fill out the I-864A. If they do not they fill out the I-864. Do your father and sisters live together? If not you will probably not be able to use both.

yes we all live in the same house, well one of my sister's lives elsewhere but she has our address as her main address. does that still work? thanks!

[jndlove 0]

My mother in law is my co sponsor and we live in the same household but she filled out the I-864 for us to be on the safe side. We thought about doing the I-864a but the dependants weren't adding up correctly and we read about some people having had problems with that so decided it safer to just get her to fill out the I-864 instead.

yeah I also noticed that they were off so I wasnt sure but I also thought about filling both forms. would that be too much? if not I think I'll just do the i864 for everyone. THANKS!

[ceadsearc 516]

In that case you fill out the I-864. The other members of your household can combine their income with yours to reach the poverty guideline. They must each fill an I-864a. They must share the principle residence meaning your sister who does not live there cannot include her income. Check the instructions of the I-864A for further details. She could be a joint sponsor and fill out her own I-864 but she would have to meet the poverty requirements for her, her dependents, and your spouse on her own - no combining income.

[Travis and Meghan 24]

yeah I also noticed that they were off so I wasnt sure but I also thought about filling both forms. would that be too much? if not I think I'll just do the i864 for everyone. THANKS!

What do you mean filling both forms? the co sponsor will fill out either the I-864a OR the I-864, not both.

[KayDeeCee 4,893]

yeah I also noticed that they were off so I wasnt sure but I also thought about filling both forms. would that be too much? if not I think I'll just do the i864 for everyone. THANKS!

Who is everyone? You fill out the I-864 as the primary sponsor. If you are wanting others in your household to combine their income with yours, then they would fill out an I-864A and there is a place on your I-864 to list their incomes and add them with yours to reach the 125% mark. Your sister does not live in the same household, so she cannot fill out an I-864A and have her income used to meet the amount you need. If the co-sponsor will qualify on their own, meaning they make enough to cover themselves, their dependents and your spouse, then they can just fill out their own I-864.

Read through the instructions for the I-864 and I-864A carefully. Remember to count household size correctly. If you are over 21 and not claimed as a dependent by your father, then you are not counted in your fathers household size. Household size is not determined by how many people live in one house together.

[jndlove 0]

In that case you fill out the I-864. The other members of your household can combine their income with yours to reach the poverty guideline. They must each fill an I-864a. They must share the principle residence meaning your sister who does not live there cannot include her income. Check the instructions of the I-864A for further details. She could be a joint sponsor and fill out her own I-864 but she would have to meet the poverty requirements for her, her dependents, and your spouse on her own - no combining income.

ok. Thank You!

[jndlove 0]

What do you mean filling both forms? the co sponsor will fill out either the I-864a OR the I-864, not both.

mmm, ok. Thanks!

[jndlove 0]

Who is everyone? You fill out the I-864 as the primary sponsor. If you are wanting others in your household to combine their income with yours, then they would fill out an I-864A and there is a place on your I-864 to list their incomes and add them with yours to reach the 125% mark. Your sister does not live in the same household, so she cannot fill out an I-864A and have her income used to meet the amount you need. If the co-sponsor will qualify on their own, meaning they make enough to cover themselves, their dependents and your spouse, then they can just fill out their own I-864.

Read through the instructions for the I-864 and I-864A carefully. Remember to count household size correctly. If you are over 21 and not claimed as a dependent by your father, then you are not counted in your fathers household size. Household size is not determined by how many people live in one house together.

I did read them but they're not very clear to me cause according to this: "This question gives you the option of including certain other non-dependent relatives who are living in your residence as part of your household size. Such relatives may include your mother, father, sister, brother or adult children, if they are living in your residence. However, the only reason to include these family members in your household size is if you need to include their income when you calculate your household income for purposes of meeting the income requirement for this form. To be considered, any relative indicated in this category must sign and submit Form I-864A."

which means that I should include my dad in my household but I'm not included in his since he doesn't claim me as a dependent? I'm just not sure....seems strange!

[KayDeeCee 4,893]

I did read them but they're not very clear to me cause according to this: "This question gives you the option of including certain other non-dependent relatives who are living in your residence as part of your household size. Such relatives may include your mother, father, sister, brother or adult children, if they are living in your residence. However, the only reason to include these family members in your household size is if you need to include their income when you calculate your household income for purposes of meeting the income requirement for this form. To be considered, any relative indicated in this category must sign and submit Form I-864A."

which means that I should include my dad in my household but I'm not included in his since he doesn't claim me as a dependent? I'm just not sure....seems strange!

Yes, you never count anyone twice. So, on your I-864 for #21 you would put 1 for a) which is your spouse, 1 for b) which is you, 0 for c) cause your spouse is listed in a), any children you have in d), and other dependents in e), any previously sponsored immigrants in f) and then 1 for g) which is your father if he provides an I-864A. For examples sake, let us say you have no kids, other dependents or previous I-864s... the household size would come out to 3.

Is your father married? He can also fill out his own I-864 and then if his wife has an income, she can fill out an I-864A to combine her income with his to meet the 125% requirement for his own household size. That would not include you, since you are not his dependent. He would only need to have enough for himself, his spouse, any children under 21, any other dependents claimed on his taxes, plus your spouse, whatever that number may be. If he is married with no other dependents, he would need enough for a household of 3. If he is single with no other dependents, then he would only need enough for a household of 2.

Household size can be tricky and messy to deal with, but I am sure you can get it all sorted out correctly. How did it work for the K-1 interview? Did you have a co-sponsor then for the I-134? It works the same way, only with the I-864, you have the option of having a family member that resides with you combine their income with yours to meet the poverty guidelines if you don't make enough on your own.

[jndlove 0]

Yes, you never count anyone twice. So, on your I-864 for #21 you would put 1 for a) which is your spouse, 1 for b) which is you, 0 for c) cause your spouse is listed in a), any children you have in d), and other dependents in e), any previously sponsored immigrants in f) and then 1 for g) which is your father if he provides an I-864A. For examples sake, let us say you have no kids, other dependents or previous I-864s... the household size would come out to 3.

Is your father married? He can also fill out his own I-864 and then if his wife has an income, she can fill out an I-864A to combine her income with his to meet the 125% requirement for his own household size. That would not include you, since you are not his dependent. He would only need to have enough for himself, his spouse, any children under 21, any other dependents claimed on his taxes, plus your spouse, whatever that number may be. If he is married with no other dependents, he would need enough for a household of 3. If he is single with no other dependents, then he would only need enough for a household of 2.

Household size can be tricky and messy to deal with, but I am sure you can get it all sorted out correctly. How did it work for the K-1 interview? Did you have a co-sponsor then for the I-134? It works the same way, only with the I-864, you have the option of having a family member that resides with you combine their income with yours to meet the poverty guidelines if you don't make enough on your own.

THANK YOU very much! It was also my father and it worked well. I got it all down now, thanks for taking the time to explain.