fail to register to selective service

[sinbad1 0]

hi everybody,

i'm new to this forum.

I'll be file for a naturalization soon but I'm really confused by my selective service question. i arrived to the united state on the age of 23 with tourist visa and stayed here after my visa expired. later on i got married and receive my permanent residence card on 2006 when i was 28.

i couldn't register to selective service because i was older than 26. now i don't know what to do and what kinds of documents i need to provide with the n400 form about my status.

any help will be appreciate:)

[v333k 59]

You are fine. You did not have to register for selective service since you became a permanent resident after the age of 26. Living in the US on a visa (or as a non-immigrant) does not require you to register.

Question 33 is confusing..... I keep reading it over and over....

Well - you were not a permanent resident before you were 26 and that is proof enough. Date of LPR was after your 26th birthday.

[sinbad1 0]

thank you v333k

[Peter&Jaime 1]

You may have been required to register. It depends on when your tourist visa ended. According to the Selective Service: "Some non-citizens are required to register. Others are not. Noncitizens who are not required to register with Selective Service include men who are in the U.S. on student or visitor visas, and men who are part of a diplomatic or trade mission and their families. Almost all other male noncitizens are required to register, including illegal aliens, legal permanent residents, and refugees. The general rule is that if a male noncitizen takes up residency in the U.S. before his 26th birthday, he must register with Selective Service." So I guess it depends on when your tourist visa ended. For more information click here:

SS service

Click here for information on men who failed to register: click here

[Mama mia 9]

Peter'n'Jaime,

With the link you provided on top, I was able to find out:

Aliens NOT required to register:

Lawful non-immigrants on visas (e.g., diplomatic and consular personnel

and families, foreign students, tourists with unexpired Form I-94, or Border

Crossing Document DSP-150)

Also:

NOTE: Immigrants who did not enter the United States or maintained their lawful non-immigrant

status by continually remaining on a valid visa until after they were 26 years old were never required

to register. Also, immigrants born before 1960 who did not enter the United States or maintained their

lawful non-immigrant status by continually remaining on a valid visa until after March 29, 1975, were

never required to register.

http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/WhoMustRegisterChart.pdf

[Peter&Jaime 1]

Peter'n'Jaime,

With the link you provided on top, I was able to find out:

Aliens NOT required to register:

Lawful non-immigrants on visas (e.g., diplomatic and consular personnel

and families, foreign students, tourists with unexpired Form I-94, or Border

Crossing Document DSP-150)

Also:

NOTE: Immigrants who did not enter the United States or maintained their lawful non-immigrant

status by continually remaining on a valid visa until after they were 26 years old were never required

to register. Also, immigrants born before 1960 who did not enter the United States or maintained their

lawful non-immigrant status by continually remaining on a valid visa until after March 29, 1975, were

never required to register.

http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/WhoMustRegisterChart.pdf

Exactly, but at some point his student visa ended and he overstayed and became illegal. Later he married an American. If he was illegal before his 26th birthday then he was required to register. In other words if between the ages of 23 and 26 if his tourist visa expired and he got his green card after 26 then he was required to register. The op did not say when his tourist visa expired, so it's hard to say for sure unless this information is provided.

Edited September 30, 2011 by Peter'n'Jaime

[lavloze 0]

I was in a similar situation.

I mailed a letter to Selective Service requesting a confirmation that I was not required to register with them. I attached a copy of my I-94, Greencard, passport bio page and entry stamp page. Weeks later, I received a letter confirming that I was exempted from registration. The letter also states that it will serve as proof to any authority asking for a proof of my selective service registration.

The document came in handy when I applied for citizenship and Financial Aid to go to school.

You may want to consider doing the same.

[Peter&Jaime 1]

My husband got that letter for when he applied for school, but for some reason it took about 6 months to get. Good thing he applied early!

Edited October 3, 2011 by Peter'n'Jaime

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

hi everybody,

i'm new to this forum.

I'll be file for a naturalization soon but I'm really confused by my selective service question. i arrived to the united state on the age of 23 with tourist visa and stayed here after my visa expired. later on i got married and receive my permanent residence card on 2006 when i was 28.

i couldn't register to selective service because i was older than 26. now i don't know what to do and what kinds of documents i need to provide with the n400 form about my status.

any help will be appreciate:)

You said it yourself.

When you became a LPR in 2006, you had already aged out of the 18-to-26 group. As such you were not required to register, and you couldn't have registered had you wanted to. You need to provide no documents to this effect, as even the dumbest I.O. knows this by heart, even if he's stoned like a bag of nuts on the day of your interview.

[NickD 203]

To the best of my knowledge, only the USCIS makes a big deal out of registering for Selective Service. Was an after thought to give some guys a job that helped Reagan get elected that no president since then reversed that. Bush wouldn't dare use selective service for the draft for his war against Iraq because he thought they had WMD. Besides that, by being born in this country or getting an LPR, they already know where you are. Selective Service was started because our leaders thought if that is even part of their process, we would need the draft again.

Draft was started during our civil war, died, came back in WW I, died, came back in WW II and stayed with us after the president declared only that terrible war in Viet Nam. But those were the days where you could train a guy to pull a trigger on a musket, Springfield, Garland, or even a more complicated M-16. Actually pulling the trigger wasn't hard to learn, cleaning the damn thing is what took a lot of practice. But now everything is extremely complex with warfare with all those pushbuttons, takes at least a couple of years to train people, and with our nuclear capacity, a war of that type will be over in minutes. But so would the rest of the world. Even a kid with two years of training would be in the idiot class, so why selective service?

Least as a US citizen, can question your congressman on this practice. And also remind him/her, that only congress can declare a war, WW II was the last war declared by congress. But if becoming an LPR, and a male between the ages of 18 and 26, better well damn sign up for Selective Service, or you will be in really deep deep trouble with the USCIS. We got that warning when my gals first got their green cards. First thing I had to do was to calculate their ages, wife was over the hill, but stepdaughter was reason to be concerned.

Next step was their sex, had to look up what "F" stood for on her green card, stands for female, verification of these two facts meant they didn't have to register for Selective Service. That time, was certain enough so I didn't bother my immigration attorney.

You can also serve your country by working for one of these contractors, get ten times the pay, don't have to follow the rules of engagement, and can quit anytime you want to. Key part of the draft was to get guys as cheap as possible. Was a bad thought when you were cheaper dead than if wounded or alive, was only worth $10,000.00, and that was to my mom. GI benefits was a lot more than that, so really had to watch your back.

Most of our miserable pay was consumed in taking care of our uniforms that would get wrecked sleeping in the mud, combat pay was an extra 30 bucks a month, that was good to keep us in cigarettes at 80 cents a carton or a bottle of VO you could buy from the PX for a buck. But we were the unfortunate ones who weren't born with rich dads that could send us to Harvard that later became our leaders. Regan got out of it by making training films with sexy girls in Hollywood, Bush, Clinton, and even Obama by going to Harvard, that all sent our poor to war. Just my thoughts on the leadership we had over the last recent years. Would be a lot different if they led our kids.

[freetv 7]

You don't need to prove anything like others have said... but should you ever need a federal service (or job) which requires proof of having registered (and there are many that check the system after you are 26...) you can get paper work from the selective service and social security that will update your records with social security and avoid problems in the future with non-immigration related matters.

[warlord 73]

Yes as mentioned if you were still under 26 and on an expired tourist visa then yes, you needed to register. As it states you would not have had to register if your visa was unexpired before your 26th birthday, but the day it expired and you overstayed, you were then required to register (if you were still under the age of 26).

If you were documented and valid till the age of 26, then incurred illegal presence before you got married, then you would be fine without registering...

The chart once again that was previously posted:

http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/WhoMustRegisterChart.pdf

Edited October 5, 2011 by warlord