The rights of Israel

[Pooky 3,348]

I don't think negotiations will lead to anything, cause it never did in the past, but just for mentioning, when a ship of aid breaks the blockade that's a good thing, it's not suppose to prevent things from progressing, also the border crossings will be opened between Rafah and Gaza permanently, lets see if that will anger Israel or what.

And the moment one of these aid shipments is found to include weapons, you can kiss it all goodbye.

The blockade, the border controls, the restrictions on types of supplies and the searches are all to one end - reducing, as far as possible, the Palestinian terrorists' capability to attack Israel and its citizens.

Supporting a blockade breaker is akin to supporting terrorism. Because if a ship has nothing to hide, its crew have nothing to fear from the ship being searched.

[Samoray 165]

When should the US start dropping bombs?

the US hadn't have enough yet after 870 billion deficit ?

[Vi-Jay 218]

lol that was a conversation from months ago! I just feel that the whole monkey issue is very 19th/early 20th century and we can move past it.

The cards are already dealt. There won't be an Israel exit.

The focus should be on cleaning up.

[Samoray 165]

And the moment one of these aid shipments is found to include weapons, you can kiss it all goodbye.

The blockade, the border controls, the restrictions on types of supplies and the searches are all to one end - reducing, as far as possible, the Palestinian terrorists' capability to attack Israel and its citizens.

Supporting a blockade breaker is akin to supporting terrorism. Because if a ship has nothing to hide, its crew have nothing to fear from the ship being searched.

The blockade is a complete siege, it doesn't allow food or medical aid to come through, not the search of ships.

[Pooky 3,348]

lol that was a conversation from months ago! I just feel that the whole monkey issue is very 19th/early 20th century and we can move past it.

When I use a "bunch of monkeys" it is always a derogatory term and usually refers to architects/designers, without whom my job would be a lot less stressful and we might actually have buildings that were designed properly the first time and worked the way they were intended.

[Vi-Jay 218]

the US hadn't have enough yet after 870 billion deficit ?

Bombs are like crackers. Can't eat salad without crackers. We always got crackers. Just have to ask the waiter for crackers.

Edited May 14, 2011 by Vi-Jay

[Pooky 3,348]

The blockade is a complete siege, it doesn't allow food or medical aid to come through, not the search of ships.

Do your research. The ships are directed to Israeli ports, where the cargo is offloaded and searched, before those items of cargo that are not on the Israeli proscribed list are allowed through.

What Hamas does with them then is another question entirely.

[Samoray 165]

Do your research. The ships are directed to Israeli ports, where the cargo is offloaded and searched, before those items of cargo that are not on the Israeli proscribed list are allowed through.

What Hamas does with them then is another question entirely.

Do you have any idea that there is a sea port at Gaza strip ?, the blockade Israel is enforcing on Gaza prevents any ships from coming with any kind of aid, not all ships are directed to Israeli ports. plus Israel shoots at these ships killing people on board with no negotiation to divert their path or anything.

[Pooky 3,348]

Do you have any idea that there is a sea port at Gaza strip ?, the blockade Israel is enforcing on Gaza prevents any ships from coming with any kind of aid, not all ships are directed to Israeli ports. plus Israel shoots at these ships killing people on board with no negotiation to divert their path or anything.

Have you any proof for your assertion that the Israelis shoot at possible blockade-runners with no warning?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Have you any proof for your assertion that the Israelis shoot at possible blockade-runners with no warning?

Do you have any proof they do indeed give such warnings?

[Pooky 3,348]

Do you have any proof they do indeed give such warnings?

I never made the assertion that they did, so I have nothing to prove.

Samoray, on the other hand, clearly stated that they did not. I have asked for proof to back up what is a serious claim about Israel breaching international maritime law. If it happened, it should be easy enough to find and post here.

[Samoray 165]

I never made the assertion that they did, so I have nothing to prove.

Samoray, on the other hand, clearly stated that they did not. I have asked for proof to back up what is a serious claim about Israel breaching international maritime law. If it happened, it should be easy enough to find and post here.

The easiest proof of this would not be a website with an article, Just look at what Israel does to Palestinian civilians in retaliation if Hamas fly rockets on them, You wouldn't think that they would stand a chance or risking negotiating with a ship that is approaching them, and the history tells about all the crimes they have committed against Palestinians.

but here it goes

Israeli forces have attacked a flotilla of aid-carrying ships aiming to break the country's siege on Gaza.

At least 19 people were killed and dozens injured when troops intercepted the convoy of ships dubbed the Freedom Flotilla early on Monday, Israeli radio reported.

The flotilla was attacked in international waters, 65km off the Gaza coast.

Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman, confirmed that the attack took place in international waters, saying: "This happened in waters outside of Israeli territory, but we have the right to defend ourselves."

Footage from the flotilla's lead vessel, the Mavi Marmara, showed armed Israeli soldiers boarding the ship and helicopters flying overhead.

Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal, on board the Mavi Marmara, said Israeli troops had used live ammunition during the operation.

Live blogging

Aftermath of Israel's attack on Gaza flotilla

The Israeli military said four soldiers had been wounded and claimed troops opened fire after "demonstrators onboard attacked the IDF Naval personnel with live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs".

Free Gaza Movement, the organisers of the flotilla, however, said the troops opened fire as soon as they stormed the convoy.

Our correspondent said that a white surrender flag was raised from the ship and there was no live fire coming from the passengers.

Before losing communication with our correspondent, a voice in Hebrew was clearly heard saying: "Everyone shut up".

Israeli intervention

Earlier, the Israeli navy had contacted the captain of the Mavi Marmara, asking him to identify himself and say where the ship was headed.

Shortly after, two Israeli naval vessels had flanked the flotilla on either side, but at a distance.

IN DEPTH

Organisers of the flotilla carrying 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid then diverted their ships and slowed down to avoid a confrontation during the night.

They also issued all passengers life jackets and asked them to remain below deck.

Al Jazeera’s Ayman Mohyeldin, reporting from Jerusalem, said the Israeli action was surprising.

"All the images being shown from the activists on board those ships show clearly that they were civilians and peaceful in nature, with medical supplies on board. So it will surprise many in the international community to learn what could have possibly led to this type of confrontation," he said.

Meanwhile, Israeli police have been put on a heightened state of alert across the country to prevent any civil disturbances.

Sheikh Raed Salah,a leading member of the Islamic Movement who was on board the ship, was reported to have been seriously injured. He was being treated in Israel's Tal Hasharon hospital.

In Um Al Faham, the stronghold of the Islamic movement in Israel and the birth place of Salah, preparations for mass demonstrations were under way.

Protests

Condemnation has been quick to pour in after the Israeli action.

Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, officially declared a three-day state of mourning over Monday's deaths.

Turkey, Spain, Greece, Denmark and Sweden have all summoned the Israeli ambassador's in their respective countries to protest against the deadly assault.

Worldwide outrage has followed the deadly Israeli attack of Gaza aid convoy [AFP]

Thousands of Turkish protesters tried to storm the Israeli consulate in Istanbul soon after the news of the operation broke. The protesters shouted "Damn Israel" as police blocked them.

"(The interception on the convoy) is unacceptable ... Israel will have to endure the consequences of this behaviour," the Turkish foreign ministry said in a statement.

Ismail Haniya, the Hamas leader in Gaza, has also dubbed the Israeli action as "barbaric".

Hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists, including a Nobel laureate and several European legislators, were with the flotilla, aiming to reach Gaza in defiance of an Israeli embargo.

The convoy came from the UK, Ireland, Algeria, Kuwait, Greece and Turkey, and was comprised of about 700 people from 50 nationalities.

But Israel had said it would not allow the flotilla to reach the Gaza Strip and vowed to stop the six ships from reaching the coastal Palestinian territory.

The flotilla had set sail from a port in Cyprus on Sunday and aimed to reach Gaza by Monday morning.

Israel said the boats were embarking on "an act of provocation" against the Israeli military, rather than providing aid, and that it had issued warrants to prohibit their entrance to Gaza.

It asserted that the flotilla would be breaking international law by landing in Gaza, a claim the organisers rejected.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/201053133047995359.html

[Vi-Jay 218]

Somebody!? Cliff notes please!

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I never made the assertion that they did, so I have nothing to prove.

Samoray, on the other hand, clearly stated that they did not. I have asked for proof to back up what is a serious claim about Israel breaching international maritime law. If it happened, it should be easy enough to find and post here.

I know of one case where they didn't give any warning before attacking a peacekeeping ship monitoring communications in the area: The USS Liberty

Edited May 14, 2011 by Some Old Guy

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Somebody!? Cliff notes please!

You can go back and see the actual footage where the Israeli troops are getting yanked off their ropes and beaten by "peaceful passengers" before they even hit the deck. I'm sure its still on youtube.