Proof Of Relationship

[TheZilla 0]

I've gathered as much stuff as I can think of for the proof of an ongoing relationship for my first initial I-129F petition which I intend to submit next week after making copies of everything. Wondering if it's enough?

I've got:

5 pictures spanning various dates over the 2 years we've been together

7-8 phone bills, his and mine, spanning various dates

7-8 emails spanning various dates

2 personal letters I sent to him, w/ envelopes & clear post marks

Copies of all the flight/train ticket stubs we have [most are mine, he lost his], covering about 5 trips we took together

Wondering if I should print out some MSN messenger chats? Is that a good idea?

Plus, is there any certain way to print emails so they are easily recognizable as authentic? I've got printer friendly versions that look almost as if they could be done on a word processor which worries me. The URL is printed across the tops though.

Oh, and I am intending to make full color copies of everything, is that better than B&W?

Sorry I've got so many questions! This is the only place I've got to ask real people who have been through this how to do it the best way. I'm so grateful for any help

[mozplay 29]

Just so you know, you only have to provide proof of having met in the past two years with the initial I-129F.

Your flight and train information is great, and the dated photographs are good too, though they are not considered primary evidence. If you can link them to some of the trips together, then that's great too.

What about boarding passes, itineraries from your flights etc? Do you still have access to any of those? Credit card receipts can also put you in the same place at the same time.

Mo

edited to add: keep all of your emails, phone bills, letters (yay for you keeping the envelopes) - they can be used later. You have to provide proof of the relationship at the interview.

Edited August 27, 2006 by mozplay

[aussiewench 9]

Not a good plan to weigh your petition down with evidence of the relationship at the expense of evidence that is the requirement......evidence of having met within the 2 year period.

Whilst evidence of an ongoing relationship is suggested in the guides, it is really only needed if one has any red flags and/or the beneficiary is from a high fraud country whereby submitting this evidence at petition stage can be beneficial at interview stage as a conof has to have reason that was not known to the USCIS at the time of petition approval in order to deny a visa and send it back for revocation.

Use Q18 to describe in some detail of how you met in the required 2 year period that established the relationship. Then the evidence you submit should support those details. Boarding passes, passport stamps, hotel/credit card receipts, rental receipts if ever lived together etc etc are primary evidence. Photos are secondary which support the primary evidence. What you should be aiming for is creating an image in the minds eye of the adjudicator......a complete picture. Look outside the box for evidence that shows you both in the same place at the same time. Each case is different and you should submit evidence accordingly, not just rely on the standard unofficial list.

[TheZilla 0]

Just so you know, you only have to provide proof of having met in the past two years with the initial I-129F.

Your flight and train information is great, and the dated photographs are good too, though they are not considered primary evidence. If you can link them to some of the trips together, then that's great too.

What about boarding passes, itineraries from your flights etc? Do you still have access to any of those? Credit card receipts can also put you in the same place at the same time.

Mo

edited to add: keep all of your emails, phone bills, letters (yay for you keeping the envelopes) - they can be used later. You have to provide proof of the relationship at the interview.

I forgot to mention I've got copies of his passport stamps and my stamps. I've got itineraries from my trips to London, and his most recent visit here. The photos I have are digital [i'm printing them at a print shop, not on my computer printer] but there are no time stamps. I've got one in front of famous landmark, with coinciding train tickets showing us having gone there together though. I've got all the boarding passes we still had left, covering a good 5 trips together.

Even though it doesn't seem they want the proof of relationship stuff initially, I thought I'd send it in right away anyway, on the off chance it might "speed things up" [i have a feeling that's the kind of optimism only a person just starting out in the K-1 process can have, hehe]

Not a good plan to weigh your petition down with evidence of the relationship at the expense of evidence that is the requirement......evidence of having met within the 2 year period.

Whilst evidence of an ongoing relationship is suggested in the guides, it is really only needed if one has any red flags and/or the beneficiary is from a high fraud country whereby submitting this evidence at petition stage can be beneficial at interview stage as a conof has to have reason that was not known to the USCIS at the time of petition approval in order to deny a visa and send it back for revocation.

Use Q18 to describe in some detail of how you met in the required 2 year period that established the relationship. Then the evidence you submit should support those details. Boarding passes, passport stamps, hotel/credit card receipts, rental receipts if ever lived together etc etc are primary evidence. Photos are secondary which support the primary evidence. What you should be aiming for is creating an image in the minds eye of the adjudicator......a complete picture. Look outside the box for evidence that shows you both in the same place at the same time. Each case is different and you should submit evidence accordingly, not just rely on the standard unofficial list.

I thought the stuff I had was the proof we'd met? Maybe I stated it wrong. I meant for all this stuff to back-up what I wrote in my one-page Question 18 attachment. I tried to stick mainly to facts in my letter, highlighting in bold the dates we were together in the previous 2 years, where, and how long. I thought the phone bills, emails, letters, ticket stubs, passport stamps, and photos would be what would confirm my statements in my attachment? We've got tons of photos of us together, so I figured we'd have more than enough to submit later on.

[aussiewench 9]

Even though it doesn't seem they want the proof of relationship stuff initially, I thought I'd send it in right away anyway, on the off chance it might "speed things up" [i have a feeling that's the kind of optimism only a person just starting out in the K-1 process can have, hehe]

Do be careful what you do submit by way of chat, email etc as they always have the chance of bringing more questions and requests for RFE's etc if there is anything contained in them that they feel is pertinent or can be misconstrued by them.

[mozplay 29]

What with the flight itineraries, passport stamps, ticket stubs (train and plane) plus photos to back it all up, you seem in pretty good shape to me.

As far as dating the photos, you can simply write the dates on the back. If you are linking them to flight or train stubs, make sure the dates coincide.

Mo

[TheZilla 0]

Oh god, now I'm worried. What did you mean by be careful? I've read over the emails I'm planning on submitting and there's nothing I can see as being wrong or bad but now I'm wondering if there's some code I don't know about as far as what's contained in them? I think it's just usual couple stuff. Like now I'm thinking should I edit out swear words or references to each other's bodies or anything?

Doesn't it sort of come down to the person reading it and their bias? I sort of thought that it was beyond my control, that one person could receive my case, read our emails, and think we're a typical couple, and someone else could read and think 'They're shocking in their use of language!". You know?

We're not planning a coup or anything, I promise

Thanks for any help.

[Mew 0]

Besides the receipts, pictures dated on the back, itineraries and air tickes, send copies of all the pages of your passport, to show the ID pages as well the ones with the visa stamps. A VJ member's gotten an RFE for that.

As for the e-mails, they're not really necessary at this point. But you strongly think you should send them anyway, have someone proof read them for you so you can be sure they're appropriate and would give the adjudicator the idea that you're a couple in a relationship. Also, you can black out the inappropriate or personal bits.

[aussiewench 9]

Oh god, now I'm worried. What did you mean by be careful? I've read over the emails I'm planning on submitting and there's nothing I can see as being wrong or bad but now I'm wondering if there's some code I don't know about as far as what's contained in them? I think it's just usual couple stuff. Like now I'm thinking should I edit out swear words or references to each other's bodies or anything?

Doesn't it sort of come down to the person reading it and their bias? I sort of thought that it was beyond my control, that one person could receive my case, read our emails, and think we're a typical couple, and someone else could read and think 'They're shocking in their use of language!". You know?

We're not planning a coup or anything, I promise

Thanks for any help.

eg

Things said in jest as with 'We're not planning a coup or anything'

Words as you know can have different meaning depending on who is reading them.

Anything said that may compel them to ask for further evidence or more scrutiny with security checks. This may also include anything about past marriages, political views etc Im just saying be careful.

[TheZilla 0]

Yikes, can I assume that swear words should be blacked out? This is hard to judge because I, or any proof reader, will have differing opinions on what's inflammatory, you know? I thought it best to just leave most of it as is since I thought blacking out a lot of stuff would defeat the purpose of sending them in the first place? Most of it is just wishy washy love stuff [which I suppose could sicken some, hehe], telling each other about our respective days, and some very vague 'nookie' references usually presented in a goofy, innuendo type way.

You probably don't need this much info, but I'm needing guidance! I don't mind if you guys snicker I just want to make sure I'm not sending out stuff that will cause a problem.

Cheers

[gugu24 0]

Plus, is there any certain way to print emails so they are easily recognizable as authentic? I've got printer friendly versions that look almost as if they could be done on a word processor which worries me. The URL is printed across the tops though.

Oh, and I am intending to make full color copies of everything, is that better than B&W?

Ok if you want to print out the exact and same thing then do one thing.

Open any documents, any website or anything. Maximize it. I mean it should cover the whole screen of the computer. Now press cntrl+Printscreen.

next open the Paint software. press Cntrl+v. the whole of the screen would be pasted on the paint board. save it and print it out. that would be the real picture of the documents.

[Ecalos 0]

Eh this has me worried because although we did send pictures and itineraries, ticket stubs and hotel reciepts, I sent a lot of proof of relationship stuff because I hadn't been on VJ long when I sent it

[gugu24 0]

i didnt send them nothing. only passportcopis of fiance, daughters passportcopies and few pictures. thats all

[matako 0]

Pictures of both of you doing a sex act can always be a good proof of an ongoing relationship,because once you have 'it' with someone you have to go back a next time, which is what a relationship essentially is.

[William33 110]

Pictures of both of you doing a sex act can always be a good proof of an ongoing relationship,because once you have 'it' with someone you have to go back a next time, which is what a relationship essentially is.

Another freaking Troll. Pizz off!!!