Article by "A Thoughtful American"

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Florida To Allow Face Covering Head Scarf On Drivers License

By A Thoughtful American

After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered prompted this editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on! Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty ! and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from! . This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment to gives every! citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other

great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

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[vartan 0]

I dont think any kind of headress or anything should be allowed on ids

[*Robert* 2]

I dont think any kind of headress or anything should be allowed on ids

i agree in that the whole purpose of an id, is to provide positive identification. that's why even immigration photos require the ears to be uncovered.

why should any other type of id be different?

[PlatyPius 5]

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

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Ooooo.....wrong answer!

Tell him what he's lost, Johnny!

You've just lost...... all respectability! (Author of the article, not the OP)

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The "Founding Fathers" - the men we learn about in history class - were not Christian. Many were Deists. Some tidbits for you....

George Washington - the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washington uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.

George Washington and Religion by Paul F. Boller Jr., pp. 16, 87, 88, 108, 113, 121, 127 (1963, Southern Methodist University Press, Dallas, TX)

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John Adams - the country's second president, was drawn to the study of law but faced pressure from his father to become a clergyman. He wrote that he found among the lawyers 'noble and gallant achievments" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces". Late in life he wrote: "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"

It was during Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."

The Character of John Adams by Peter Shaw, pp. 17 (1976, North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill, NC) Quoting a letter by JA to Charles Cushing Oct 19, 1756, and John Adams, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by James Peabody, p. 403 (1973, Newsweek, New York NY) Quoting letter by JA to Jefferson April 19, 1817, and in reference to the treaty, Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 311 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June, 1814.

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Thomas Jefferson - third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote:

The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."

Thomas Jefferson, an Intimate History by Fawn M. Brodie, p. 453 (1974, W.W) Norton and Co. Inc. New York, NY) Quoting a letter by TJ to Alexander Smyth Jan 17, 1825, and Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 246 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to John Adams, July 5, 1814.

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James Madison - fourth president and father of the Constitution, was not religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

The Madisons by Virginia Moore, P. 43 (1979, McGraw-Hill Co. New York, NY) quoting a letter by JM to William Bradford April 1, 1774, and James Madison, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Joseph Gardner, p. 93, (1974, Newsweek, New York, NY) Quoting Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments by JM, June 1785.

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Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, said:

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." He died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of his time, to be a Deist, not a Christian.

Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Thomas Fleming, p. 404, (1972, Newsweek, New York, NY) quoting letter by BF to Exra Stiles March 9, 1970.

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The words "In God We Trust" were not consistently printed on U.S. currency until 1956, during the McCarthy "commie" hunts.

Edited August 19, 2006 by Cian

[UmmSqueakster 54]

First, the state of Florida ruled against the woman (Sultana Freedman) asking to wear niqab on her driver's license after a court battle. Second, she isn't an immigrant. So why the heck would she be tacked to the beginning of a piece on immigrants?

Third, check snopes.

Fourth, alhamdulilah (thank God) Minnesota and most other states allow women (and men) to cover their hair on their photo IDs (and passports) for religious reasons. If I cut off all my hair, spike it and dye it hot pink, or wear a long flowing wig, I would look different from my driver's license photo. So I'm wearing a scarf, big deal. All my photos sent in with immigrant had my ears and hair covered.

Heck, anyone in Minnesota can cover their heads for their driver's license photo. Viva Minnesota!

Edited August 19, 2006 by rahma

[*Robert* 2]

Cian, thanks for saving me all the typing!!!

[Mirorgate 0]

The words "In God We Trust" were not consistently printed on U.S. currency until 1956, during the McCarthy "commie" hunts.

ah yes... the good ole days /sniff/

First, the state of Florida ruled against the woman (Sultana Freedman) asking to wear niqab on her driver's license after a court battle. Second, she isn't an immigrant. So why the heck would she be tacked to the beginning of a piece on immigrants?

Third, check snopes.

Fourth, alhamdulilah (thank God) Minnesota and most other states allow women (and men) to cover their hair on their photo IDs (and passports) for religious reasons. If I cut off all my hair, spike it and dye it hot pink, or wear a long flowing wig, I would look different from my driver's license photo. So I'm wearing a scarf, big deal. All my photos sent in with immigrant had my ears and hair covered.

Heck, anyone in Minnesota can cover their heads for their driver's license photo. Viva Minnesota!

that guy on the top right still looks like a dork... bet he's hatin that photo right bout now

[*Robert* 2]

Heck, anyone in Minnesota can cover their heads for their driver's license photo. Viva Minnesota!

She wanted to "cover her face". Not her head!

[cheeky^Wolf 0]

Hmm interesting...

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=25119&hl=

[*Robert* 2]

Minnesota is a province of Canada isn't it?!!

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Heck, anyone in Minnesota can cover their heads for their driver's license photo. Viva Minnesota!

She wanted to "cover her face". Not her head!

You were specifically discussing headcoverings/headresses in your post, not face coverings

I dont think any kind of headress or anything should be allowed on ids

i agree in that the whole purpose of an id, is to provide positive identification. that's why even immigration photos require the ears to be uncovered.

why should any other type of id be different?

[Alex+R 0]

Cian, I hope you don't mind, I sent some of that to my boyfriend. So he can feel a little better about moving to a country I'm pretty sure he views as absolutely insane with religion.

Minnesota is a province of Canada isn't it?!!

I am starting to wish it were!

Viva Minnesota

Oh, and re: the article:

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from!

Ummmmm I'M not happy with it and I have a LOT of desire to change it. That's the point of having living, working politicians.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

that woman is not only not an immigrant, she's an anglo-saxon convert to islam

seriously guys, sometimes you love getting yourselves wound up over nothing

[Alex+R 0]

that woman is not only not an immigrant, she's an anglo-saxon convert to islam

seriously guys, sometimes you love getting yourselves wound up over nothing

Yeah I got that. Anyway, I work in the security badging office of our airport right now, and there are many muslim immigrants (yes actual immigrants) working there. I will always know that the women immigrated recently because they will have their heads WAY more covered in their old photo than they currently do.

You can see the pictures in the system: one with the covering that goes around the face as well, a newer one with just the hair tied up in a bandana or something, and a third one with either no covering at all or a scarf rolled up like a headband in their hair.

I don't think many recent immigrants would be willing to make such a stir over covering up. Only a convert. (sorry to be offensive)

[UmmSqueakster 54]

I don't think many recent immigrants would be willing to make such a stir over covering up. Only a convert. (sorry to be offensive)

I don't find it offensive. We just know our way around the system and know what rights we can fight for.