Jon Benet Ramsey - suspect arrested

[one...two...tree 2,762]

he is a chopf##k..even if he made the story up for attention as he ex-wife states

Yes. His story doesn't add up. I'm curious to see what he is up to - wondering if he's wanting to be extradited to the U.S. to avoid a worse fate their in Thailand.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

he is a chopf##k..even if he made the story up for attention as he ex-wife states

Yes. His story doesn't add up. I'm curious to see what he is up to - wondering if he's wanting to be extradited to the U.S. to avoid a worse fate their in Thailand.

I don't think Thailand can actually try anyone (esp. a Yank) for a crime committed in US--so extradition would be mandatory in that case.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

he is a chopf##k..even if he made the story up for attention as he ex-wife states

Yes. His story doesn't add up. I'm curious to see what he is up to - wondering if he's wanting to be extradited to the U.S. to avoid a worse fate their in Thailand.

I don't think Thailand can actually try anyone (esp. a Yank) for a crime committed in US--so extradition would be mandatory in that case.

I understand that. From what was reported is that he was facing sexual assault charges involving minors there in Thailand.

[meauxna 15]

Perhaps the saddest part of this whole, horrendous affair, is that JonBenets mother Patsy died of cancer recently and never lived to see this development having lived with ten years of finger pointing (how's that for putting it politely!).

The story I read says that the family knew about this suspect before she died.

[irishgirl73 1]

he is a chopf##k..even if he made the story up for attention as he ex-wife states

Yes. His story doesn't add up. I'm curious to see what he is up to - wondering if he's wanting to be extradited to the U.S. to avoid a worse fate their in Thailand.

I don't think Thailand can actually try anyone (esp. a Yank) for a crime committed in US--so extradition would be mandatory in that case.

I understand that. From what was reported is that he was facing sexual assault charges involving minors there in Thailand.

I think you are right(although I do want them to find him guilty). He was charged in Thailand and they definetly PUNISH their prisoners, he may be lying just to get back here to the states. Apparently his ex-wife is saying that he couldn't have been in Colorado because he was with her somewhere(Atlanta maybe?).

Regardless-he is a sick perv!

Perhaps the saddest part of this whole, horrendous affair, is that JonBenets mother Patsy died of cancer recently and never lived to see this development having lived with ten years of finger pointing (how's that for putting it politely!).

The story I read says that the family knew about this suspect before she died.

I heard that the family knew that a "suspect" was close to being caught a few months ago.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

he is a chopf##k..even if he made the story up for attention as he ex-wife states

Yes. His story doesn't add up. I'm curious to see what he is up to - wondering if he's wanting to be extradited to the U.S. to avoid a worse fate their in Thailand.

I don't think Thailand can actually try anyone (esp. a Yank) for a crime committed in US--so extradition would be mandatory in that case.

I understand that. From what was reported is that he was facing sexual assault charges involving minors there in Thailand.

I think you are right(although I do want them to find him guilty). He was charged in Thailand and they definetly PUNISH their prisoners, he may be lying just to get back here to the states. Apparently his ex-wife is saying that he couldn't have been in Colorado because he was with her somewhere(Atlanta maybe?).

Regardless-he is a sick perv!

Perhaps the saddest part of this whole, horrendous affair, is that JonBenets mother Patsy died of cancer recently and never lived to see this development having lived with ten years of finger pointing (how's that for putting it politely!).

The story I read says that the family knew about this suspect before she died.

I heard that the family knew that a "suspect" was close to being caught a few months ago.

It's just my speculation, but... I believe the girl was murdered by her mother. There were circumstancial evidence that pointed to her, one being the randsom note - which one analyst said matched the mother's handwriting. There was no break in - no forced entry into the home. The Ramsey's were home at the time of the murder. The list goes on and on. I believe the mother tried to cover up the accidental death of her daughter after she killed her. That's why this case was never solved - the murder scene was tampered with before the police got there. Definitely an inside job. I know everybody wants to see justice served but when the mother died, so did that chance.

Steve Thomas, a key Boulder city detective in the case, resigned from the Boulder Police Department after he discovered "the detectives who know this case better than anyone were advised by the district attorney's office that we would not be participating as grand jury advisory witnesses."

Thomas Names Patsy Ramsey as Murderer

Thomas's book, which became a bestseller when it was released in hardback in April 2000 (a paperback edition was released in November 2000), left no doubt about whom he believes killed JonBenét, known as Joni'B to her mother and father. On page 12 he writes that he believes the murderer to be "her panicked mother, Patsy Ramsey, and that her father, John Ramsey, opted to protect his wife in the investigation that followed." In chapter 30 of the book, Thomas recounts his theory of the case:

"In my hypothesis, an approaching fortieth birthday, the busy holiday season, an exhausting Christmas Day, a couple of glasses of wine, and an argument with JonBenét had left Patsy frazzled. Her beautiful daughter, whom she frequently dressed almost as a twin, had rebelled against wearing the same outfit as her mother [to the Whites' Christmas Day party].

"When they came home, John Ramsey helped Burke put together a Christmas toy. JonBenét, who had not eaten much at the Whites' party, was hungry. Her mother let her have some pineapple, and then the kids were put to bed. John Ramsey read to his little girl. Then he went to bed. Patsy stayed up to prepare for the trip to Michigan the next morning, a trip she admittedly did not particularly want to make.

"Later JonBenét awakened after wetting her bed, as indicated by the plastic sheets, the urine stains, the pull-up diaper package hanging halfway out of a cabinet, and the balled-up turtleneck found in the bathroom. I concluded that the little girl had worn the red turtleneck to bed, as her mother originally said, and that it was stripped off when it got wet.

"As I told [Lou] Smit [an investigator hired by the D.A.'s office], I never believed the child was sexually abused for the gratification of the offender but that the vaginal trauma was some sort of corporal punishment. The dark fibers found in her public region could have come from the violent wiping of a wet child. Patsy probably yanked out the diaper package in cleaning up JonBenét.

"Patsy would not be the first mother to lose control in such a situation. One of the doctors we consulted cited toileting issues as a textbook example of causing a parental rage. So, in my hypothesis, there was some sort of explosive encounter in the child's bathroom sometime prior to one o'clock in the morning, the time suggested by the digestion rate of the pineapple found in the child's stomach [during the autopsy]. I believe JonBenét was slammed against a hard surface, such as the edge of a tub, inflicting a mortal head wound. She was unconscious, but her heart was still beating. Patsy would not have known that JonBenét was still alive, because the child already appeared to be dead. The massive head trauma would have eventually killed her.

"It was the critical moment in which she had to either call for help or find an alternative explanation for her daughter's death. It was accidental in the sense that the situation had developed without motive or premeditation. She could have called for help but chose not to. An emergency room doctor probably would have questioned the "accident" and called the police. Still, little would have happened to Patsy in Boulder. But I believe panic overtook her.

"John and Burke continued to sleep while Patsy moved the body of JonBenét down to the basement and hid her in the little room.

"As I pictured the scene, her dilemma was that police would assume the obvious if a 6-year-old child was found dead in a private home without any satisfactory explanation. Patsy needed a diversion and planned the way she thought a kidnapping should look."

Thomas theorized that Patsy then went upstairs to the kitchen to write the ransom note, using one of her own writing tablets and a felt-tipped pen that she kept there on a counter. She "flipped to the middle of the tablet, and started a ransom note, drafting one that ended on page 25. For some reason she discarded that one and ripped pages 17-25 from the tablet. Police never found those pages. On page 26, she began the 'Mr. & Mrs. I,' then also abandoned that false start. At some point she drafted the long ransom note. By doing so, she created the government's best piece of evidence."

Thomas wrote that she "then faced the major problem of what to do with the body" and that leaving it in "the distant almost inaccessible basement room was the best option.

"As I envisioned it, Patsy returned to the basement, a woman caught up in panic, where she could have seen -- perhaps by detecting a faint heartbeat or a sound or a slight movement -- that although completely unconscious, JonBenét was not dead. Others might argue that Patsy did not know the child was still alive. In my hypothesis, she took the next step, looking for the closest available items in her desperation. Only feet away was her paint tote. She grabbed a paintbrush and broke it to fashion the garrote with some cord. Then she looped the cord around the girl's neck.

"In my scenario, she choked JonBenét from behind, with a grip on the broken paintbrush handle, pulling the ligature. JonBenét, still unconscious, would never have felt it…

"Then the staging continued to make it look more like a kidnapping. Patsy tied the girl's wrists, in front, not in back, for otherwise the arms would have not have been in that overhead position. But with a 15-inch length of cord between the wrists and the knot tied loosely over the clothing, there was no way such a binding would have restrained a live child. It was a symbolic act to make it appear the child had been bound.

The Smoking Gun

As part of her staging, Thomas wrote that Patsy put a strip of duct tape over JonBenét's mouth. "There was bloody mucus under the tape, and a perfect set of the child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance," indicating that JonBenét had not been alive when the tape was affixed to her mouth. The ransom note and the staging of the body took so much of the night that Patsy did not have time to change the clothes she wore to the Whites' Christmas Day party. To Thomas, Patsy's not changing her clothes was the smoking gun. He knew she was wearing the same clothes because a picture taken at the Whites' dinner party on Christmas night showed her wearing a red turtleneck sweater and black pants. A Boulder police officer had noted in his report that when he arrived at the Ramsey home on December 26 in response to the kidnapping emergency that Patsy was wearing a red turtleneck and black pants.

"This woman, to whom looking good appeared always so important that she had a closet full of designer clothes, had attended a party, come home late, put her children to bed, gone to sleep herself, arose early to fly across the country, put on fresh makeup and fixed her hair, and then put on the same clothes she had worn the previous night? Not likely, in my opinion," Thomas wrote.

http://crimemagazine.com/jonbenet.htm

[anya-D 8]

he is a chopf##k..even if he made the story up for attention as he ex-wife states

Yes. His story doesn't add up. I'm curious to see what he is up to - wondering if he's wanting to be extradited to the U.S. to avoid a worse fate their in Thailand.

I don't think Thailand can actually try anyone (esp. a Yank) for a crime committed in US--so extradition would be mandatory in that case.

I understand that. From what was reported is that he was facing sexual assault charges involving minors there in Thailand.

I think you are right(although I do want them to find him guilty). He was charged in Thailand and they definetly PUNISH their prisoners, he may be lying just to get back here to the states. Apparently his ex-wife is saying that he couldn't have been in Colorado because he was with her somewhere(Atlanta maybe?).

Regardless-he is a sick perv!

Perhaps the saddest part of this whole, horrendous affair, is that JonBenets mother Patsy died of cancer recently and never lived to see this development having lived with ten years of finger pointing (how's that for putting it politely!).

The story I read says that the family knew about this suspect before she died.

I heard that the family knew that a "suspect" was close to being caught a few months ago.

er... i really doubt that.. we do punish the prisoner but the punishing part is ALOT lighter than in the US....

but anyway.. he cant be trial in Thailand for that crime..

Edited August 17, 2006 by anya-D

[*Robert* 2]

Thailand ?

I know where that is!

[cheeky^Wolf 0]

he is a chopf##k..even if he made the story up for attention as he ex-wife states

Yes. His story doesn't add up. I'm curious to see what he is up to - wondering if he's wanting to be extradited to the U.S. to avoid a worse fate their in Thailand.

I don't think Thailand can actually try anyone (esp. a Yank) for a crime committed in US--so extradition would be mandatory in that case.

I understand that. From what was reported is that he was facing sexual assault charges involving minors there in Thailand.

I think you are right(although I do want them to find him guilty). He was charged in Thailand and they definetly PUNISH their prisoners, he may be lying just to get back here to the states. Apparently his ex-wife is saying that he couldn't have been in Colorado because he was with her somewhere(Atlanta maybe?).

Regardless-he is a sick perv!

Perhaps the saddest part of this whole, horrendous affair, is that JonBenets mother Patsy died of cancer recently and never lived to see this development having lived with ten years of finger pointing (how's that for putting it politely!).

The story I read says that the family knew about this suspect before she died.

I heard that the family knew that a "suspect" was close to being caught a few months ago.

It's just my speculation, but... I believe the girl was murdered by her mother. There were circumstancial evidence that pointed to her, one being the randsom note - which one analyst said matched the mother's handwriting. There was no break in - no forced entry into the home. The Ramsey's were home at the time of the murder. The list goes on and on. I believe the mother tried to cover up the accidental death of her daughter after she killed her. That's why this case was never solved - the murder scene was tampered with before the police got there. Definitely an inside job. I know everybody wants to see justice served but when the mother died, so did that chance.

Steve Thomas, a key Boulder city detective in the case, resigned from the Boulder Police Department after he discovered "the detectives who know this case better than anyone were advised by the district attorney's office that we would not be participating as grand jury advisory witnesses."

Thomas Names Patsy Ramsey as Murderer

Thomas's book, which became a bestseller when it was released in hardback in April 2000 (a paperback edition was released in November 2000), left no doubt about whom he believes killed JonBenét, known as Joni'B to her mother and father. On page 12 he writes that he believes the murderer to be "her panicked mother, Patsy Ramsey, and that her father, John Ramsey, opted to protect his wife in the investigation that followed." In chapter 30 of the book, Thomas recounts his theory of the case:

"In my hypothesis, an approaching fortieth birthday, the busy holiday season, an exhausting Christmas Day, a couple of glasses of wine, and an argument with JonBenét had left Patsy frazzled. Her beautiful daughter, whom she frequently dressed almost as a twin, had rebelled against wearing the same outfit as her mother [to the Whites' Christmas Day party].

"When they came home, John Ramsey helped Burke put together a Christmas toy. JonBenét, who had not eaten much at the Whites' party, was hungry. Her mother let her have some pineapple, and then the kids were put to bed. John Ramsey read to his little girl. Then he went to bed. Patsy stayed up to prepare for the trip to Michigan the next morning, a trip she admittedly did not particularly want to make.

"Later JonBenét awakened after wetting her bed, as indicated by the plastic sheets, the urine stains, the pull-up diaper package hanging halfway out of a cabinet, and the balled-up turtleneck found in the bathroom. I concluded that the little girl had worn the red turtleneck to bed, as her mother originally said, and that it was stripped off when it got wet.

"As I told [Lou] Smit [an investigator hired by the D.A.'s office], I never believed the child was sexually abused for the gratification of the offender but that the vaginal trauma was some sort of corporal punishment. The dark fibers found in her public region could have come from the violent wiping of a wet child. Patsy probably yanked out the diaper package in cleaning up JonBenét.

"Patsy would not be the first mother to lose control in such a situation. One of the doctors we consulted cited toileting issues as a textbook example of causing a parental rage. So, in my hypothesis, there was some sort of explosive encounter in the child's bathroom sometime prior to one o'clock in the morning, the time suggested by the digestion rate of the pineapple found in the child's stomach [during the autopsy]. I believe JonBenét was slammed against a hard surface, such as the edge of a tub, inflicting a mortal head wound. She was unconscious, but her heart was still beating. Patsy would not have known that JonBenét was still alive, because the child already appeared to be dead. The massive head trauma would have eventually killed her.

"It was the critical moment in which she had to either call for help or find an alternative explanation for her daughter's death. It was accidental in the sense that the situation had developed without motive or premeditation. She could have called for help but chose not to. An emergency room doctor probably would have questioned the "accident" and called the police. Still, little would have happened to Patsy in Boulder. But I believe panic overtook her.

"John and Burke continued to sleep while Patsy moved the body of JonBenét down to the basement and hid her in the little room.

"As I pictured the scene, her dilemma was that police would assume the obvious if a 6-year-old child was found dead in a private home without any satisfactory explanation. Patsy needed a diversion and planned the way she thought a kidnapping should look."

Thomas theorized that Patsy then went upstairs to the kitchen to write the ransom note, using one of her own writing tablets and a felt-tipped pen that she kept there on a counter. She "flipped to the middle of the tablet, and started a ransom note, drafting one that ended on page 25. For some reason she discarded that one and ripped pages 17-25 from the tablet. Police never found those pages. On page 26, she began the 'Mr. & Mrs. I,' then also abandoned that false start. At some point she drafted the long ransom note. By doing so, she created the government's best piece of evidence."

Thomas wrote that she "then faced the major problem of what to do with the body" and that leaving it in "the distant almost inaccessible basement room was the best option.

"As I envisioned it, Patsy returned to the basement, a woman caught up in panic, where she could have seen -- perhaps by detecting a faint heartbeat or a sound or a slight movement -- that although completely unconscious, JonBenét was not dead. Others might argue that Patsy did not know the child was still alive. In my hypothesis, she took the next step, looking for the closest available items in her desperation. Only feet away was her paint tote. She grabbed a paintbrush and broke it to fashion the garrote with some cord. Then she looped the cord around the girl's neck.

"In my scenario, she choked JonBenét from behind, with a grip on the broken paintbrush handle, pulling the ligature. JonBenét, still unconscious, would never have felt it…

"Then the staging continued to make it look more like a kidnapping. Patsy tied the girl's wrists, in front, not in back, for otherwise the arms would have not have been in that overhead position. But with a 15-inch length of cord between the wrists and the knot tied loosely over the clothing, there was no way such a binding would have restrained a live child. It was a symbolic act to make it appear the child had been bound.

The Smoking Gun

As part of her staging, Thomas wrote that Patsy put a strip of duct tape over JonBenét's mouth. "There was bloody mucus under the tape, and a perfect set of the child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance," indicating that JonBenét had not been alive when the tape was affixed to her mouth. The ransom note and the staging of the body took so much of the night that Patsy did not have time to change the clothes she wore to the Whites' Christmas Day party. To Thomas, Patsy's not changing her clothes was the smoking gun. He knew she was wearing the same clothes because a picture taken at the Whites' dinner party on Christmas night showed her wearing a red turtleneck sweater and black pants. A Boulder police officer had noted in his report that when he arrived at the Ramsey home on December 26 in response to the kidnapping emergency that Patsy was wearing a red turtleneck and black pants.

"This woman, to whom looking good appeared always so important that she had a closet full of designer clothes, had attended a party, come home late, put her children to bed, gone to sleep herself, arose early to fly across the country, put on fresh makeup and fixed her hair, and then put on the same clothes she had worn the previous night? Not likely, in my opinion," Thomas wrote.

http://crimemagazine.com/jonbenet.htm

This is one of the guys who had a $80 million libel case on his hands?

[Jersey Girl 2]

There's something creepy about this guy. He almost seems to enjoy going limp as he's pushed around by police. Something submissive and vaguely sexual...

[iceyspots 0]

There's something creepy about this guy. He almost seems to enjoy going limp as he's pushed around by police. Something submissive and vaguely sexual...

gross!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

This is one of the guys who had a $80 million libel case on his hands?

Regardless, those details are pretty convincing in pointing the finger at the mother. It's just too bad that justice will never be served and this loon is getting his 15 minutes of fame. I believe Mr. Ramsey helped cover up the death to protect his wife so I suppose he was an accomplice. Maybe he'll finally tell the truth before he dies.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

All you can really say is that until the guy gets a trial (his right) and the details of what happened become clear, noone can really draw any firm conclusions.

Its a little ironic that after the family were subjected to public outrage and self-righteous anger, that people today are doing the exact same thing to this new suspect. After all since when did "charged" equate to "guilty"?

[cheeky^Wolf 0]

Yes I thought that too. I also wondered if he's homosexual just by some of his mannerisms.

My theory is he was in with the family and this was some kind of group sex act that went wrong, but who knows. Guess time will tell. Should be an interesting trial if it gets that far.

[Welshcookie 17]

I just heard on the news that this man's ex-wife has stated that he was not in the State at the time of the murder....anyone else hear that or was I still half asleep