Captain Ewok - what in the world is going on?

[^_^ 5,021]

Brad,

I learned a long time ago that having exclusively back channel discussions with the mod team was a waste of time. In fact, I believe you guys intend for it to be a waste of time.

You want me to appeal to Ewok? That's what this is. He doesn't answer PMs nor does the case system he set up work anymore.

This is just about the only way to get his attention. Thank you for your input.

[^_^ 5,021]

... all members should be able to take and illustrate a position, and be given SOME latitude to do so.

Not if that position is one that violates TOS.

"Islam was responsible for 9/11" is a clear cut violation.

[LaL 418]

I do tend towards a fairly liberal interpretation of what is strong (or slanted) opinion, and therefore a subject for debate here (as opposed to name calling and hate). Sometimes letting some edgy stuff in is a good thing, as it encourages a healthy debate. That was the idea. You would find me letting in sites that claim outrageous things about other religions too, for the same reasons.

Edgy stuff - like the stupid poem that gets removed, unlike this sort of stuff that is completely and unabashedly bigoted.

k.

[Brad and Vika 129]

Brad,

I learned a long time ago that having exclusively back channel discussions with the mod team was a waste of time. In fact, I believe you guys intend for it to be a waste of time.

You want me to appeal to Ewok? That's what this is. He doesn't answer PMs nor does the case system he set up work anymore.

This is just about the only way to get his attention. Thank you for your input.

Based on the number of incarnations, amount of arguing, and bird-dogging and reporting you do here, we all recognize how important VJ must be for you. Since I haven't been around for ages - or been banned, sanctioned, or otherwise kept off the site at all (since you are today concerned about violating the TOS), I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to not have your legitimate complaints heard. That is why I suggested dialogue. I am happy to ask Ewok or other mods for a second opinion if asked. I can't fix the system though - not my call. In fact, once upon a time, I was equally frustrated by it.

Not if that position is one that violates TOS.

"Islam was responsible for 9/11" is a clear cut violation.

The legitimacy (or lack thereof) of a statement like that, implying that "all islam" was responsible, is exactly the sort of discussion that needs to be had. I don't think many people believe all muslims, or all Americans, or all grandmothers, could agree about anything - let alone be responsible for anything as a complete group. But you never get there if you don't throw the statement, or article, into the light and take a close look at it, right?

Edgy stuff - like the stupid poem that gets removed, unlike this sort of stuff that is completely and unabashedly bigoted.

k.

Well, the poem was pretty unabashedly profane wasn't it? I didn't read it myself, so tell me. Good point though, illustrating that the system is far from uniform.

[^_^ 5,021]

Based on the number of incarnations, amount of arguing, and bird-dogging and reporting you do here, we all recognize how important VJ must be for you.

I'd report you for baiting but seeing how the report would just go to you...

The legitimacy (or lack thereof) of a statement like that, implying that "all islam" was responsible, is exactly the sort of discussion that needs to be had.

Really? You want to have discussions on blatantly bigoted opinions? Even though TOS explicitly forbids racist content?

What other blatantly racist views would you like to see given a pedestal for discussion on OT? And... why?

[LaL 418]

These two threads are just getting worse!

Edited August 15, 2010 by LaL

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I imagine a thread about Holocaust denial would go down well at this point. At least... as well as it has on here in the past.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Back channels don't work with Ewok either, people.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

it's very interesting what attracts moderator attention and what it allowed to remain.

dumpster sluts porn = acceptable; latin porn (understood by maybe a handful of people)=automatic suspension

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I'm sure it can explained by "we can't read every thread" but yet you have several mods in the UK sub-forum but not a single one on a thread appearing in the top page of OT. Totally arbitrary.......and complete bs

[Pooky 3,909]

When you hire mods based on a popularity contest (or who you are personally friends with) (and I'm not talking about the most recent hire) instead of demonstrated ability to actually moderate in the truest sense of the word, this is what you get.

Armchair quarterbacking is much better, eh?

If moderators were elected under a democratic election process, would that suit you? How about random selection? Or, how about post count? Which method would you prefer to see employed to select a moderator?

What people need to fully appreciate this is that this site is not a democracy, or anything close to it. It's a privately owned and run website and all this bitching and moaning about the moderation serves little purpose other than to vent at someone. Because in the end, if you don't like how the site is run, you always have the ultimate recourse.

[William33 110]

Once again, nebulous "loosely enforced" TOS in OT for the win. And slowly but surely that laissez faire attitude has crept into other areas of VJ.

When you hire mods based on a popularity contest (or who you are personally friends with) (and I'm not talking about the most recent hire) instead of demonstrated ability to actually moderate in the truest sense of the word, this is what you get.

What are you on about? If you understood the selection process, you would understand that there is no bias whatsoever. How about contributing to this forum, instead of complaining about it mox? If anyone searches your last 100 posts, they will see mostly complaints. Why is that? State your purpose here...

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

maybe he "complains" because he cares

[^_^ 5,021]

I am contributing. I'm contributing in the only way that seems to be effective. If you don't like my decision, you should escalate it to Ewok.

Ha. You da man.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I note "dumpster sluts" still remains 12 hours after reporting it and calling it out on 2 heavily mod read threads. I know mods have their priorities....but try to pretend you care about "profanity".... :rofl: