Citizenship From Birth

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Immigrants in the U.S. are a lot more integrated than ones in Western Europe, particularly for the second and third generation descendants.

Here's an interesting piece from 2006: (Soren Kern)

If Demographics is Destiny, Europe Won't Be Running the 21st Century

Here is an even better source of information from 2007, regarding all immigrants:

• Of adult immigrants, 31 percent have not completed high school, compared to 8 percent of natives. Since 2000, immigration increased the number of workers without a high school diploma by 14 percent, and all other workers by 3 percent.
  
• The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 33 percent, compared to 19 percent for native households.
  
• The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 17 percent, nearly 50 percent higher than the rate for natives and their children.
  
• 34 percent of immigrants lack health insurance, compared to 13 percent of natives. Immigrants and their U.S.-born children account for 71 percent of the increase in the uninsured since 1989.
  
• Immigration accounts for virtually all of the national increase in public school enrollment over the last two decades. In 2007, there were 10.8 million school-age children from immigrant families in the United States.
  
• Overall, nearly one in three immigrants is an illegal alien. Half of Mexican and Central American immigrants and one-third of South American immigrants are illegal.
  

Source: http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/back1007.html

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Here is an even better source of information from 2007, regarding all immigrants:

Source: http://www.cis.org/a...7/back1007.html

Better source? Hardly. The Center for Immigration Studies is an anti-immigration think tank.

The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a non-profit research organization that advocates immigration reduction in the United States.

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How can they 'take it up' if no country will give them citizenship? 12 million stateless people in the world today, many of whom don't qualify as refugees. And I'm willing to bet that near zero of them are descendants of U.S. citizens. We don't have a problem here with statelessness because of jus soli.

Let me ask you - your family came to Australia from Greece, correct? Were you born in Greece or in Australia?

Australia. Folks migrated legally to Australia, then after many years of being a PR, became citizens. Had my folks jumped ship, I would not expect Australia to grant me anything. Under Greek law, I would qualify for Greek citizenship. Once again, it's not Australia's responsibility to figure out the laws of 180 countries.

That said, had my parents simply jumped ship, they would have enough common sense to be aware of the risks they are taking and the burden they are placing on their children or future children. They only people who do get some leeway or those classified as refugees. Even then, they begin by qualifying for for a PR first, which subsequently entitles any future kids born in AUS to be classed as citizens. For everyone else, without a PR or a parent who is a citizenship, they have to take immigration matters up with their home country.

The other thing about Australia though is that you cannot function in a society without residency checks. Residency checks are mandatory in every step when dealing with the government.

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Better source? Hardly. The Center for Immigration Studies is an anti-immigration think tank.

Come on dude. You cannot always attack the source without listening to what they have to say.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that the majority of people jumping border are low-skilled, which means uneducated and welfare dependent. What do you think happened to the people following the last Amnesty? That is the way the cookie crumbles and why no first world country accepts them anymore. The other logical reason is was best summarized by Mark Krikorian:

"But one statistic that seems to me should have garnered more attention is that among Mexican immigrant households — by far the largest immigrant group — half are on welfare. This isn't because they're plotting to rip us off, but because they're 19th century workers in a 21st century economy, and simply don't have the tools to support themselves. The result is government-subsidized immigration, with taxpayers footing the bill for all this "cheap" labor."

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Here is an even better source of information from 2007, regarding all immigrants:

Source: http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/back1007.html

Hahaha

CIS was started in 1985 by a Michigan ophthalmologist named John Tanton — a man known for his racist statements about Latinos, his decades-long flirtation with white nationalists and Holocaust deniers, and his publication of ugly racist materials.

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Come on dude. You cannot always attack the source without listening to what they have to say.

A think tank whose aim is to reduce immigration in the U.S. is not a good source for unbiased reports on immigration.

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A think tank whose aim is to reduce immigration in the U.S. is not a good source for unbiased reports on immigration.

So what is a good source then? Latin American immigration groups like La Raza that claim it's good, just because.

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So what is a good source then? Latin American immigration groups like La Raza that claim it's good, just because.

Try some of these:

Immigration Policy Center

American Constitution Society

Brookings Institute

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So what is a good source then? Latin American immigration groups like La Raza that claim it's good, just because.

Hercules, that is a problem with hot topics like this. It becomes almost impossible to find unbiased sources. You have to look at any source with skeptical eyes.

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Try some of these:

I had a look at the first site, and it claims its mission is "to shape a rational conversation on immigration". Yet when looking at their articles, every single one of them discussed the perceived positives of immigration. Bizarre for a group that claims to shape rational conversation.

An accurate analysis would be to compare and contrast various immigration polices around the world, analyzing the impact on living standards and to the citizens of the country. One article actually stated immigration is a good thing for the environment, which is interesting considering actual research in a country of immigrants [Australia] discovered the exact opposite. Hence, the left wing government's proposal to cut the immigration quota in half. Common sense really, how can more immigrants be better for the environment? It's like saying having the world population double to 12 billion, is good for the earth.

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Just a reminder to watch it with the personal attacks and insults. They really add nothing to the discussion.

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Hercules, that is a problem with hot topics like this. It becomes almost impossible to find unbiased sources. You have to look at any source with skeptical eyes.

Agreed. The best way is to present the data on its own. Like quantifying what percentage of immigrants are receiving welfare payments. What percentage of immigrant's children receive free and reduced lunch etc etc etc. There lies the problem, as trying to find data on things like this is almost impossible. Conveniently many who push these amnesties don't exactly like collecting data of any sort. Consequently, when private groups collect the data, it becomes biased or racist.

Edited August 11, 2010 by Heracles

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Try some of these:

Immigration Policy Center

board of directors includes an immigration attorney (gee i can't see what he'd get outta this), an attorney specializing in insurance (can't see what he'd get outta it either), and another immigration attorney. how surprising!

American Constitution Society

The American Constitution Society for Law and Policy (ACS) describes itself as a liberal progressive legal organization to promote the U.S. Constitutional values of "individual rights and liberties, genuine equality, access to justice, democracy and the rule of law."

(that's from wikipedia, btw)

Brookings Institute

the Brookings Institute is the principal Democratic Party think-tank and all issues, and it is a place where "politicians in-waiting" can bide their time until the next election.

(sourcewatch)

some sources

Edited August 11, 2010 by charles!

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board of directors includes an immigration attorney (gee i can't see what he'd get outta this), an attorney specializing in insurance (can't see what he'd get outta it either), and another immigration attorney. how surprising!

The American Constitution Society for Law and Policy (ACS) describes itself as a liberal progressive legal organization to promote the U.S. Constitutional values of "individual rights and liberties, genuine equality, access to justice, democracy and the rule of law."

(that's from wikipedia, btw)

the Brookings Institute is the principal Democratic Party think-tank and all issues, and it is a place where "politicians in-waiting" can bide their time until the next election.

(sourcewatch)

some sources

How about these, Mr. Smith?

Immigration History Research Center

Pew Research Center on Immigration

Center for Comparative Immigration Studies

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Immigrants in the U.S. are a lot more integrated than ones in Western Europe, particularly for the second and third generation descendants.

just saying, i have filipino friends, hispanic friends and since i work in tech indian friends. when i go to events large and small i'm the only white guy there and i'm in melting pot california. go to any school during lunch and for the most part you'll see all the kids SELF segregated by culture so not even the younger folks are mingling when they can avoid it.

americans do work together well, but after work, cultures aren't mingling.