A qusestion to men who would pay for sex...

[slim 1,533]

For the same reason I was screwing them

So, basically what you're telling me is it's possible to have sex without "forming opinions of an entire gender?" In other words, you can have completely detached, unemotional sex with someone - with or without the exchange of cash - and there's no long term side effects?

That's not what others have said in this thread. According to them, someone who would do that - especially someone who would pay to do that - is despicable.

The statement that the difference between prostitutes and other women can be summed up by a crude and cynical analogy to taxis and cars arises from ideology not from biology.

There's nothing ideological about it. It is a fact. All women can be prostitutes if they desire. That's not an idea... it's because of thier biological make-up.

The truth is that even the men who use prostitutes do not respect the prostitutes for the most part.. I would be much more accepting of the whole prostitution question if the women who engage in prostitution were respected as people, but what seems to happen is that men who use prostitutes disrespect all women or segregate women into two categories, respectable women one can marry and disreputable women that one fucks for fun (this segregation is sometimes even blamed on the prostitute, these are women who just do not want to participate in normal society,why should we force them to?). In other words, prostitution is a function of the fact that some men never develop a healthy attitude towards sex - if they want to bang a woman they must be able to, regardless of whether there is a woman around who wants to bang him on his terms.

What does respect have to do with business?

None of that changes reality that there are all kinds of dysfunctional sexual relationships, not just within the world of the sex trade - of course there are, and it is not only men that fail to learn how to have sex within acceptable parameters, ie all cards on the table as to what the sex is for for both parties. Partly this is the fault of religious 'rules' that demand sex be confined to one particular relationship and partly that is a legacy of the fact that women have only recently been able to control their own destiny by being able to own and pass down property, access authority on their own behalf and compete for jobs in all sectors of society - and that is only true in the most developed societies.

Just because you've been in an unhealthy relationship in the past and been disrespected by a man doesn't mean prostitution is wrong. I bet you didn't even charge the guy yet he still treated you badly. Why does that directly transfer to what we're discussing here?

If you're going to use past experience and/or personal observation, at least make it relevant to what we're discussing which is sex for money. While I realize the OP was happiness of having a daughter in the legal sex trade I fail to see how discussing unrelated personal relationships applies.

Is that another way of saying that when a man gets the urge to ####, by golly he has the right to #### a woman and if that means the woman has to lie back and take it (so long as he pays the going rate of course) then that's just how it has to be?

That's pretty much how it works in the prostitution biz.

Well, I made it clear to them it was only about sex, and maybe beer. Hell, we were only 20-21 years old; we could barely remember to go to class, let alone ponder how we would feel about each other after having sex.

So, once again... there was no emotional attachment or respect involved on your side?

Say it isn't so! That's just not possible!

[Ban Hammer 14,297]

Is that another way of saying that when a man gets the urge to ####, by golly he has the right to #### a woman and if that means the woman has to lie back and take it (so long as he pays the going rate of course) then that's just how it has to be?

it wasn't too long ago that you said having sex was a right....

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Is there one man here that wasnt a ####### when they were in their late teens early twenties?

[Peikko 1,575]

it wasn't too long ago that you said having sex was a right....

I think you might be getting confused. I have nothing against people having sex and lots of it, and I don't believe that there is only one sort of relationship that adults can and should engage in - what I object to is the objectification of women, the segregation of women into those who are 'marriage material' and those who are 'good fucks' etc. I also find it obnoxious that those men who use prostitutes seem to believe that it is their right to be able to #### a woman just because they want to - so long as they pay the going rate regardless of what the effects of prostitution are and clearly there are problems with it, because there is no society that places prostitution up there as a profession to aspire to and no one views prostitutes as 'normal' women - they are always somehow deviant, women who don't want to have relationships, be tied down to a normal life, women who don't want children, women who accept the health risks because the lifestyle is worth that risk. Really?

What kind of man seriously does not learn that there are times when having a #### isn't an option no matter how horny they are? Use your hand, buy a doll, whatever, sometimes you just need to take care of things yourself.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

So what are men who do that called then?

It's not merely an issue of exploitation but of degradation. Prostitution is degrading to the women who do it (if that weren't the case, then how do these women end up bitter and jaded?). It's also degrading to the men - if the Guardian article was anything to go by. Self-loathing men who see prostitutes because they can't get it anywhere else and end up, on some level, feeling cheap and ashamed afterwards.

That is your opinion and we do not need it foisted upon us. And people do not need you or the law to prevent them from degrading themselves. Thanks, but no thanks.

Let women, and men, have freedom of choice.

[^_^ 5,021]

Let women, and men, have freedom of choice.

You forgot to capitalize CHOICE. I realize it is your CHOICE whether you do so or not but tradition must also be respected.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

I see this thread has degraded, too bad, it was an interesting topic. I really have little more to say than I believe adults should be allowed to choose for themselves. Assuming prostitution is legal (which this thread proposed to do) the grown-ups have that choice. There really is little else to discuss. You can like it or not, it doesn't matter. It will always exist. we can control it and offer safe places for people to work and provide these services, or we can pretend to be self-righteous and force the providers into poor health conditions.

Seems like the same people that want to continue the practice of employing illegal aliens in underpaid, unsafe conditions. Coincidence? Oddly enough, the controll freaks that want to make our choices for us could actually have MORE control if they made it legal. Making something illegal only guarantees it cannot be controlled. That is why it is far easier for a kid to buy marijuana than it is is for them to buy alcohol.

So, go ahead, force more women into the gutter, back alleys, back seats, dirty hotel rooms. Be proud of yourself. You are preventing them from being degraded.

[Peikko 1,575]

I see this thread has degraded, too bad, it was an interesting topic. I really have little more to say than I believe adults should be allowed to choose for themselves. Assuming prostitution is legal (which this thread proposed to do) the grown-ups have that choice. There really is little else to discuss. You can like it or not, it doesn't matter. It will always exist. we can control it and offer safe places for people to work and provide these services, or we can pretend to be self-righteous and force the providers into poor health conditions.

Seems like the same people that want to continue the practice of employing illegal aliens in underpaid, unsafe conditions. Coincidence? Oddly enough, the controll freaks that want to make our choices for us could actually have MORE control if they made it legal. Making something illegal only guarantees it cannot be controlled. That is why it is far easier for a kid to buy marijuana than it is is for them to buy alcohol.

So, go ahead, force more women into the gutter, back alleys, back seats, dirty hotel rooms. Be proud of yourself. You are preventing them from being degraded.

Where is the implication that I do not want prostitution to be legalized when I have clearly said that not only did I think it was important for this thread to assume that it was legal, but that I support the legalization of prostitution across the USA? I have repeated this at least three times now. How is that wanting to 'control' people's freedoms, exactly?

Also, I have a new question for those who would pay a prostitute for sex:

Would you sell yourself for sex under the exact same circumstances that you have bought sex under? The same circumstances being that you would accept the same rate as was requested and regardless of whether or not you personally found them attractive? If not, are there any circumstances where you feel you could accept a financial reward for rendering a sexual service?

Edited July 26, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Amby 490]

hmmmm...I've been thinking about this. I like sex. I really like sex. Everyone knows this since I'm pretty open about it. I've one night stands with many strangers and never spoke to them again. I used to pick sex partners by their skills. If they were #######, I'd never speak to them again. I guess I used many men for sex just like maven said she did. I never felt bad about it and don't feel bad about it now. I'm not sure if I could sell myself though. Sex is about pleasure for both people and if the guy is just trying to get off and leave then it's not for me. I want mine too.

[Ban Hammer 14,297]

I want mine too.

[Marilyn. 340]

these might work better

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Do you own a jackhammer?

[Marilyn. 340]

Do you own a jackhammer?

you so didn't get it

[Amby 490]

I think Charles is correct...I've never seen a vibe that didn't take AA batteries

eta: though those look like they may be AAA

Edited July 26, 2010 by Amby

[thongd4me 69]

these might work better

I think the "Eveready bunny" uses the ones that keep going and going...

are we trying to be subtle about vibrators here?