Axelrod: no prez tougher on border than Obama

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The outcry over illegal immigration in border states notwithstanding, President Barack Obama has taken as strict an approach to the issue as any other president, White House senior adviser David Axelrod insisted Sunday.

"No administration has been tougher on enforcement," Axelrod said on "Fox News Sunday." "We have more manpower there than ever before- more equipment drones, helicopters, airplanes. We're doing this in a smart, more efficient way and we're producing better results."

Host Chris Wallace then said "there were some facts and figures that contradict what" Axelrod had said. However, when interviewing Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz) moments later on the same show, Wallace took a different tack. "The fact is that the Obama White House does have a story to tell...Hasn't this president improved border security?" the Fox host said to Kyl.

"There have been improvements," Kyl conceded. "There have been additional people sent to the border. Nobody would deny that. There is a federal government effort going on here but it's not enough.…The fact that you’ve done more doesn’t mean that you’ve done enough."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0710/Axelrod_no_prez_tougher_on_border_than_Obama.html?showall#

[slim 1,514]

Kind of sounds like what's going on with Afghanistan. "But we've done more."

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

They are still living off the Bush budgets, for both wars, and border security. It takes a couple years for stuff to finally make it to the end users. The military and the border patrol will begin seeing the effects of the Obama budgets the latter half of this year.

Edited July 11, 2010 by ##########

[slim 1,514]

They are still living off the Bush budgets, for both wars, and border security. It takes a couple years for stuff to finally make it to the end users. The military and the border patrol will begin seeing the effects of the Obama budgets the latter half of this year.

Cool. Then in 2011, pack your bags fellas, war's over!

Our border should be secure by then too, what with all the "extra security" and aid Obama's been dishing out. And the tougher federal enforcement of immigration laws.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

The outcry over illegal immigration in border states notwithstanding, President Barack Obama has taken as strict an approach to the issue as any other president, White House senior adviser David Axelrod insisted Sunday.

"No administration has been tougher on enforcement," Axelrod said on "Fox News Sunday." "We have more manpower there than ever before- more equipment drones, helicopters, airplanes. We're doing this in a smart, more efficient way and we're producing better results."

Host Chris Wallace then said "there were some facts and figures that contradict what" Axelrod had said. However, when interviewing Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz) moments later on the same show, Wallace took a different tack. "The fact is that the Obama White House does have a story to tell...Hasn't this president improved border security?" the Fox host said to Kyl.

"There have been improvements," Kyl conceded. "There have been additional people sent to the border. Nobody would deny that. There is a federal government effort going on here but it's not enough.…The fact that you’ve done more doesn’t mean that you’ve done enough."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0710/Axelrod_no_prez_tougher_on_border_than_Obama.html?showall#

[Sofiyya 1,687]

in DC, you can't go wrong when you follow the money. The budget for border security was cut and the virtual fence put on hold. When I worked on Capital Hill, that meant you weren't serious about the programs that were cut, and it means the same thing now. People clamor for more tax dollars, not less, to show that their fiefdom is important. Money is power in DC; little money, little power.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Woody Wilson was worse.

No fan of democracy or constitutional government, he wrote the following in Constitutional Government in the United States: “The President is at liberty, both in law and conscience, to be as big a man as he can. His capacity will set the limit….” Sounds like a devotee of the imperial presidency.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.

Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal's after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.

In 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexican Nationals! The program was called 'Operation Wetback'. It was done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs It took 2 Years, but they deported them。

Now...if they could deport the illegal's back then - they could sure do it today. lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.

[Craneman 2]

Your numbers are extremely inflated !!

Nowhere do I find a number greater than 800,000, closer to 80,000, your 13,000,000 is exagerated even for today.

Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.

Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal's after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.

In 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexican Nationals! The program was called 'Operation Wetback'. It was done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs It took 2 Years, but they deported them。

Now...if they could deport the illegal's back then - they could sure do it today. lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Operation Wetback was only possible because the authorities of time didn't care about the civil rights of the people they were targeting. It was an exercise in racial profiling - if you "looked Mexican" and were stopping in the street and didn't have any ID on you they'd put you on a bus out of the country.

Bear in mind that this isn't too long after the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2, or indeed, the communist witchhunts of Joe McCarthy. Not exactly one of the US' better moments.

Any government could round up people who look hispanic and bus them out of the country, but only by dismissing civil rights concerns as so much red tape.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

"looking Hispanic" is part of the race baiting fallacy. There is no such thing as a "Hispanic look" and we need to stop allowing this kind of White Guilt thinking to deter us from enforcing our immigration laws. People cannot be given a pass for lawbreaking for fear of offending any particular ethnicity that demands a pass while others who respect our laws wait in line. if we capitulate to race baiting and disrespect our own laws, then our own credibility is shot.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"looking Hispanic" is part of the race baiting fallacy. There is no such thing as a "Hispanic look" and we need to stop allowing this kind of White Guilt thinking to deter us from enforcing our immigration laws. People cannot be given a pass for lawbreaking for fear of offending any particular ethnicity that demands a pass while others who respect our laws wait in line. if we capitulate to race baiting and disrespect our own laws, then our own credibility is shot.

The question surely goes to whether the enforcement of laws encourages individuals to act on the basis of their own prejudices and preconceived ideas. If hispanic USCs have indeed been swept up in these sweeps and were deported illegally during the 1950s what claim to credibility can there be to endorse policy initiatives like Operation Wetback?

This sort of thing was only possible at a time when the USA was a very unpleasant place to live for many people.

[billh56 0]

The question surely goes to whether the enforcement of laws encourages individuals to act on the basis of their own prejudices and preconceived ideas. If hispanic USCs have indeed been swept up in these sweeps and were deported illegally during the 1950s what claim to credibility can there be to endorse policy initiatives like Operation Wetback?

This sort of thing was only possible at a time when the USA was a very unpleasant place to live for many people.

When my wife looks for work, she must show her green card to prove she is her legally. I wonder if it's because she has black hair and darker skin?

Must be the employers prejudices and preconceived ideas. Or maybe it's the law!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

When my wife looks for work, she must show her green card to prove she is her legally. I wonder if it's because she has black hair and darker skin?

Must be the employers prejudices and preconceived ideas. Or maybe it's the law!

Way to hijack my post and completely miss the point.

I was talking about Operation Wetback in 1950s - when your wife could have been summarily deported simply because she happened not to have ID on her in the event that she was stopped by police who thought she looked illegal.

People are endorsing the policies of the 1950s because they think that civil rights issues are red tape and so they look with rose-tinted glasses at a time when people didn't really care about the civil rights of racial minorities. I imagine the US back then was a great place to live - if you were white and your neighbours didn't shop you to the authorities as a suspected communist.

Edited July 12, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[Craneman 2]

This is not the 1950s

Way to hijack my post and completely miss the point.

I was talking about Operation Wetback in 1950s - when your wife could have been summarily deported simply because she happened not to have ID on her in the event that she was stopped by police who thought she looked illegal.

People are endorsing the policies of the 1950s because they think that civil rights issues are red tape and so they look with rose-tinted glasses at a time when people didn't really care about the civil rights of racial minorities. I imagine the US back then was a great place to live - if you were white and your neighbours didn't shop you to the authorities as a suspected communist.