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Obamacare Screwed? More And More Doctors Abandoning Medicare Across The Country.

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You can thank the AMA for that. As far as back as the 80's they have been limiting the amount of doctors in the field to boost wages.

Only like 18% of medical doctors are part of the AMA... They really shouldn't have anything to do with it.

education cost and the ability to pay back six-figure student loans attribute to it as well.

Population growth in certain areas and the amount of doctors not keeping up with demand.

It's all dependent on where you live really. Some places in the US you can make an appointment the same day or next day, others you'll have to wait a few days.

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Only like 18% of medical doctors are part of the AMA... They really shouldn't have anything to do with it.

education cost and the ability to pay back six-figure student loans attribute to it as well.

Population growth in certain areas and the amount of doctors not keeping up with demand.

It's all dependent on where you live really. Some places in the US you can make an appointment the same day or next day, others you'll have to wait a few days.

Their effect is actually on the education system. The medical field turns away 53% of all applicants because the number of schools have purposely been kept low. Between 2003 and 2008 the rate of applicants increased 23% while the schools only produced an increase in spots for 9%.

In fact, whilst law schools have increased by 50% in the last few decades medical schools have actually decreased.

In most studies of rising health care cost this issue is often labeled as one of major drivers.

A few decades ago (probably the late 60's) the AMA feared that there would be a surplus of doctors hence the odd policies and lack of growth in the field.

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For many retailers if they priced their products like Walmart, they would loose money on every sale. But yet Walmart makes billions every year. The excuse of losing money more often than not comes from not running an efficient business or complaining about shrinking profit margins.

Care providers can't just keep pushing up prices at the rate they are and expect people to keep paying. There is already pushback and that will keep increasing. If care providers can adapt, they will survive, if they cannot, they will find it difficult to stay in business.

Walmart does what it does because people have something that it wants (money). While arguably doctors also want peoples' money, there are too many people and not enough hours in the day (for the doctors). Moreover, our tax system is set up such that many doctors don't even have incentives to work full-time since working more means a higher tax bracket and keeping an increasingly smaller portion of their money. Doctors don't need more patients. Patients need doctors.

Although collectively people have something that doctors want, individual people don't. If you don't like a doctor's prices, you can go elsewhere (if you can find another doctor that is taking patients). The doctor likely has a waiting list and financially won't notice you left. We are in a seller's market and the seller (doctor) has more power to dictate the prices. There may be outrage but people aren't going to suddenly stop going to the doctor. Even if some people do, their neighbors won't and doctors will be okay since they are so overbooked anyways.

Obamacare tries to fix this by forcing doctors to take accept lower prices in spite of the law of supply and demand. This seems like a good idea until we realize that the law of supply and demand is aptly named. Prices are rising because the supply is smaller than the demand. Forcing the price lower will simply cause shortages.

And that is what the heart of this article is really saying. Obamacare is attempting to make healthcare available to everyone, an admirable goal. But we need to step back and consider why care wasn't available (affordable) in the first place. Of course, there are various systematic problems like the inefficient insurance industry, a poor legal system, and mucked up regulation.

But the fundamental problem is that the American healthcare system is not equipped and staffed to actually treat every American. Somehow a decision had to be made as to who gets priority. And as with everything else in the free market system, the decision was based on who could pay more. The price increases until enough people can't pay that we can treat everyone that can. That's supply and demand.

Obamacare dictates that the system will treat everyone. But the system can't, so it won't.

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Walmart does what it does because people have something that it wants (money). While arguably doctors also want peoples' money, there are too many people and not enough hours in the day (for the doctors). Moreover, our tax system is set up such that many doctors don't even have incentives to work full-time since working more means a higher tax bracket and keeping an increasingly smaller portion of their money. Doctors don't need more patients. Patients need doctors.

Although collectively people have something that doctors want, individual people don't. If you don't like a doctor's prices, you can go elsewhere (if you can find another doctor that is taking patients). The doctor likely has a waiting list and financially won't notice you left. We are in a seller's market and the seller (doctor) has more power to dictate the prices. There may be outrage but people aren't going to suddenly stop going to the doctor. Even if some people do, their neighbors won't and doctors will be okay since they are so overbooked anyways.

Obamacare tries to fix this by forcing doctors to take accept lower prices in spite of the law of supply and demand. This seems like a good idea until we realize that the law of supply and demand is aptly named. Prices are rising because the supply is smaller than the demand. Forcing the price lower will simply cause shortages.

And that is what the heart of this article is really saying. Obamacare is attempting to make healthcare available to everyone, an admirable goal. But we need to step back and consider why care wasn't available (affordable) in the first place. Of course, there are various systematic problems like the inefficient insurance industry, a poor legal system, and mucked up regulation.

But the fundamental problem is that the American healthcare system is not equipped and staffed to actually treat every American. Somehow a decision had to be made as to who gets priority. And as with everything else in the free market system, the decision was based on who could pay more. The price increases until enough people can't pay that we can treat everyone that can. That's supply and demand.

Obamacare dictates that the system will treat everyone. But the system can't, so it won't.

A. We need more medical schools, the students are there

B. For the next 5 years or so we need to open up alot of visas for foreign doctors until the amount of domestic doctors climb in number.

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A. We need more medical schools, the students are there

B. For the next 5 years or so we need to open up alot of visas for foreign doctors until the amount of domestic doctors climb in number.

Both of those sound like fine ideas to me. If you do that, you don't need Obamacare since prices will fall organically.

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anybody here recieved care at a VA hospital? i have not, but i hear its a real plesurable experience. you will soon get the plesure to experience the same care at 'obamacare' hospitals.

depends on where you are...

Some VA hospitals are wonderful and then others make you wonder what country you're getting care in.....

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