Pinal County Sheriff: Mexican drug cartels now control parts of Arizona

[natty bumppo 297]

147 "assault rifles" is rather nebulous. it may imply to some that it's an omg automatic weapon, but given the liberties the press takes towards firearms, it is most likely some semi-auto rifle.

"Police in Texas have seized a cache of weapons allegedly being smuggled to drug gangs in Mexico" "Texas police say they acted on a tip-off and stopped a truck. Inside, they found 147 assault rifles, 53 bayonets and more than 10,000 rounds of ammunition ..."

only 10k rounds of ammo? that won't last long.

that reminds me .... it's about time to do another bulk buy on .22 target stuff ...

*goes and checks ammo supply*

[one...two...tree 2,762]

please post references to your claim.

U.S. Is Arms Bazaar for Mexican Cartels

Drug gangs seek out guns in the United States because the gun-control laws are far tougher in Mexico. Mexican civilians must get approval from the military to buy guns and they cannot own large-caliber rifles or high-powered pistols, which are considered military weapons.

The ease with which Mr. Iknadosian and two other men transported weapons to Mexico over a two-year period illustrates just how difficult it is to stop the illicit trade, law enforcement officials here say.

The gun laws in the United States allow the sale of multiple military-style rifles to American citizens without reporting the sales to the government, and the Mexicans search relatively few cars and trucks going south across their border.

What is more, the sheer volume of licensed dealers — more than 6,600 along the border alone, many of them operating out of their houses — makes policing them a tall order. Currently the A.T.F. has about 200 agents assigned to the task.

Smugglers routinely enlist Americans with clean criminal records to buy two or three rifles at a time, often from different shops, then transport them across the border in cars and trucks, often secreting them in door panels or under the hood, law enforcement officials here say. Some of the smuggled weapons are also bought from private individuals at gun shows, and the law requires no notification of the authorities in those cases.

“We can move against the most outrageous purveyors of arms to Mexico, but the characteristic of the arms trade is it’s a ‘parade of ants’ — it’s not any one big dealer, it’s lots of individuals,” said Arizona’s attorney general, Terry Goddard, who is prosecuting Mr. Iknadosian. “That makes it very hard to detect because it’s often below the radar.”

[ready4ONE 5,400]

147 "assault rifles" is rather nebulous. it may imply to some that it's an omg automatic weapon, but given the liberties the press takes towards firearms, it is most likely some semi-auto rifle.

How about a DOJ report? Or are they part of the biased liberal media? There is a link between the USA, the guns and the drug demands in the USA, and the drug cartels that is bigger than your bluster.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How about a DOJ report? Or are they part of the biased liberal media? There is a link between the USA, the guns and the drug demands in the USA, and the drug cartels that is bigger than your bluster.

For instance, from Fiscal Year 2004 through February 17th of this year, Project Gunrunner – ATF’s strategy for disrupting the flow of firearms to Mexico – has referred for prosecution 795 cases involving 1,658 defendants; those cases include 382 firearms trafficking cases involving 1,035 defendants and more than 12,800 guns.

It is an undisputable fact that the weapons and firearms used to fuel the drug-related violence in Mexico can be traced back to guns procured legally or illegally here.

[Heracles 417]

2nd amendment MFs! Eat that you drug dealing bastards.

Oh wait.... Shiiiit! F-ck!

[ready4ONE 5,400]

2nd amendment MFs! Eat that you drug dealing bastards.

Oh wait.... Shiiiit! F-ck!

:rofl:

[Ban Hammer 14,297]

For instance, from Fiscal Year 2004 through February 17th of this year, Project Gunrunner – ATF’s strategy for disrupting the flow of firearms to Mexico – has referred for prosecution 795 cases involving 1,658 defendants; those cases include 382 firearms trafficking cases involving 1,035 defendants and more than 12,800 guns.

bfd. 4.5 years worth of statistics lumped together to make it sound huge.

cases referred for prosecution = 176 cases on average a year, with an average of 368 defendants a year.

84 firearms trafficking cases a year, with 2,844 guns a year.

a drop in the bucket compared to how many are stolen every year (600k+).

[ready4ONE 5,400]

bfd. 4.5 years worth of statistics lumped together to make it sound huge.

cases referred for prosecution = 176 cases on average a year, with an average of 368 defendants a year.

84 firearms trafficking cases a year, with 2,844 guns a year.

a drop in the bucket compared to how many are stolen every year (600k+).

Are they 'stolen' Or are they 'stolen?'

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Mexico's Drug War Bloodbath: Guns from the U.S. Are Destabilizing the Country

Mexican drug cartels have easy access to thousands of American gun dealers just on the other side of the border.

A minute is all the time that it takes for an employee in one of almost 7,000 gun shops dotting the U.S./Mexico border to accept a wad of cash from an eager customer, fill out a triplicate sales slip, and slide a nice, new Taurus .45 caliber pistol across the counter. Or two, or three, or twenty, as the case may be. Add those handguns to the countless tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of pistols, sniper and assault rifles, semi-automatic machine guns, shield-piercing bullets, grenades, plastic explosives, as well as anti-tank weapons outfitted with self-propelling rockets passing illegally through the hands of drug cartel foot soldiers and assassins. Throw in the array of weapons favored by DEA and CIA agents, Mexican federal police and military units, and other 'drug warriors,' of one sort or another. These are all people who are ready, willing, and able to use violence to get what they want. If it looks like you've got a battle on your hands, you do -- the Mexican drug war has hit boiling point.

Mexican authorities have been quite vocal in the past year about the role that the U.S. is playing in the escalation of gun violence in Mexico. Last year, no less than 20,000 weapons were seized in drug-related actions, raids, arrests, and shoot-outs; nearly all of them were sold in the U.S. (The Mexican government has finally been given electronic access, by the U.S. Department of Justice, to be able to trace the origins of registered weapons, but only if they are used in the commission of crimes.)

Last month, the U.S. government's own Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, released its policy-shaping "2009 International Narcotics Strategy Report." As the bureau had to admit, "U.S.-purchased or stolen firearms account for an estimated 95% of the Mexico's drug-related killings."

Nowhere in the report was it emphasized, however, that there are at least 6,600 licensed gun dealers in the four states adjacent to the Mexico border. Or that legal loopholes grant thousands of other unlicensed gun "enthusiasts" and collectors across the country to sell their wares, without inspection or oversight, at weekend gun shows across the country.

"A vast arms bazaar is rampant along the four border states, enabled by porous to nonexistent American gun laws," The New York Times editorialized on February 27, 2009, after the indictment of George Iknadosian, a gun-shop owner facing federal charges for knowingly providing weapons to members of the Sinaloa cartel. "There should be immense shame on this side of the border that America's addiction to drugs is bolstered by its feckless gun controls."

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[HappyKnappy 30]

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95% of all drug-related killings in Mexico related to guns purchased, and then smuggled into Mexico by Americans? And from a Federal agency as a source? Wow, wonder what Booyah's answer to this will be...

It's interesting how some claim the cartels are invading, when the demand for the substances, and the guns used to commit crimes so they can get said substances to their customers, come from the same place crying for help.

I predict that he'll slide around the topic and talk about the gangs instead.

Edited June 16, 2010 by HappyKnappy

[Ban Hammer 14,297]

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Or two, or three, or twenty, as the case may be. Add those handguns to the countless tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of pistols, sniper and assault rifles, semi-automatic machine guns, shield-piercing bullets, grenades, plastic explosives, as well as anti-tank weapons outfitted with self-propelling rockets passing illegally through the hands of drug cartel foot soldiers and assassins.

i'd like to know what gun store in the us is selling those in bold....

Edited June 16, 2010 by charles!