Major Blow to Homophobes: SCOTUS Refuses to Block Gay Marriage in DC

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Does one need to be married to be happy?

Marriage is not a secular undertaking. I'm sure that many of the non-religious would be very happy without being married. One of the duties of government is to reflect the will of the governed, and forcing gay marriage on those who have made it abundantly clear that they don't accept it is a mistake that will be answered.

I am also concerned that the pro-gay marriage crowd does not see themselves as members of a larger group, and cannot seem to imagine that others do see themselves as interconnected in a way that the rule of law affects their lives intimately. All those statements about how things don't affect me or why should you care, it's none of your business are gravely indicative of an apathy and a lack of investment in re social cohesion or social order. It's pretty much a trait of an "if it feels good, do it" attitude that fails society long-term.

Sad for us all.

The pursuit of happiness for ALL individuals IS in our constitution, and if that means they want to be married to be happy, and they are two consenting adults, I am all for that.

However, at the crux of the argument, let's look at where marriage stems from. Now, correct me if I am wrong, and I am quite sure somebody will, marriage began as a religious ceremony. It started with the church, which may explain the "moral" dilemma many are going through with allowing gay marriage. The government has since stepped in over the many years and afforded married couples with certain privileges that unmarried couples don't receive. If the government is to be involved in any way, they MUST, AS PER THE US CONSTITUTION, afford the same rights to EVERYONE, gay or straight. It is a simple argument.

I, for the life of me, cannot see how two people getting married, same sex or not, will have a direct affect on my life or the life of my marriage. It is simply not my business. It only becomes my business if I am affected directly. I have several gay friends who are married and honestly it has only affected me in a good way. To see two loving, committed people sharing a life together is nothing less than inspiring.

Now, whether or not the government SHOULD be involved is a whole other argument as separation of church and state is also guaranteed by our constitution. So, the question becomes, should a marriage be a religious ceremony, only recognized by your particular church, temple, mosque, whatever, or SHOULD the government continue to be involved, thereby demanding equality for EVERYONE.

The argument that gay marriage is being forced upon you is a fallacy. Nobody is forcing you to support it, believe in it or even agree with it. We ARE simply asking you to respect the law, if indeed it becomes legal. You can close your eyes and frown anytime you are near a gay couple. Hell you can even quote the bible (perhaps the part where it says: Mat 7:1-5 "Judge not, that ye be not judged) to them.

This isn't about what people are doing in the bedroom, this is about the government, now involved in what as an original religious ceremony giving equal rights and privileges to everyone under the constitution.

-Blu

You refuse to provide the objections you have, one convincing reason as to why same sex marriage should not be recognized by the government. I'll be happy to talk about those objections if you'd just put them on the table.

I have offered them. You just can't see them.

[Wyld Blu 35]

Then why did you limit marriage to only 2 persons, where did that magical number come from?.... Tradition HAH!

This is interesting to me. The original argument is whether a gay couple should be allowed, under the law, be married. Why you are trying to cloud this issue is telling. Two isn't a magical number, it is simple the number of people in a "traditionally described" marriage. Now when the argument becomes should polyamory be legal, we will have a whole other discussion. Please stick to the topic.

-Blu-

[Dan J 277]

Then why did you limit marriage to only 2 persons, where did that magical number come from?.... Tradition HAH!

I don't really care if multiple people want to marry, but most examples of polygamy in history have been paternalistic.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Why are you so narrow minded to suppose only 2 people would want to be married. Why do you push your religion on other like this?

There are thousands tens of thousands of Multiple person relationships which don't fit your definition of family.

I might also ask Where in the Constitution does the phrase "consenting adults" come from?

What is this liberal claptrap we keep hearing about "consenting adults" as if the only marriage restrictions are those.

in some states 15 year olds can marry.

Incest is covered by other marriage laws why are you people so fixated on the Barney Fwanks of the world?

He is not the only person with a warped idea about sex who needs your voice, why be so timid?

Social studies, citizenship, and government were apparently not taught in their schools.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Why doesn't your morality have any bearing on the legality or illegality of abortion? It's because you laid down and let the courts roll over you. I don't. That's a fight that isn't over any more than the fight against gay marriage. But, then some of us are more passionate and advocative about our beliefs than others.

Just like it's narcissism to demand the right for women to vote? Or blacks to attend the same school as whites? Or for couples of two different races to marry? Or for people to receive the same pay for the same job even if they aren't the same gender?

As well, we aren't just talking about the right to 'marry' but also to have all the rights of a partner under law. Next of kin, for example. There are states that do not recognize a gay partner as being next of kin. You know what that means? That means should one partner be in the hospital dying, the other has no legal right to medical records, to make decisions regarding life-support, organ donation, last will and testament, etc.

That is what I mean when I say equal rights. Don't pretend to misunderstand just because it goes against your belief system.

I think abortion is murder. Yet it's legal. My moral objection has no bearing on the legality or illegality of abortion.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I have offered them. You just can't see them.

You offered procreation which I already debunked. You claimed some sort of personal impact which you failed to substantiate and then you pulled the state argument missing the point that the Constitution does contain a equal protection clause that applies to all states which is what the argument is really all about. What argument of yours have I missed?

[Peikko 1,575]

Your objection is not that you personally find it offensive because it's a sin and immoral, but that it threatens the social order? How?

[Dan J 277]

Does one need to be married to be happy?

Marriage is not a secular undertaking. I'm sure that many of the non-religious would be very happy without being married. One of the duties of government is to reflect the will of the governed, and forcing gay marriage on those who have made it abundantly clear that they don't accept it is a mistake that will be answered.

I am also concerned that the pro-gay marriage crowd does not see themselves as members of a larger group, and cannot seem to imagine that others do see themselves as interconnected in a way that the rule of law affects their lives intimately. All those statements about how things don't affect me or why should you care, it's none of your business are gravely indicative of an apathy and a lack of investment in re social cohesion or social order. It's pretty much a trait of an "if it feels good, do it" attitude that fails society long-term.

Sad for us all.

I have offered them. You just can't see them.

Since when is anyone forcing gay marriage on you specifically?

Your objection comes down to this. Its not "normal". And accepting it is somehow a violation of your rights to maintain what you feel is "normal".

[jundp 191]

And so it goes, and so it goes...

VJ amuses me. Hypocrisy definitely amuses me here too.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So, the 14th amendment of the Constitution which affords equal protection under the law to all citizens is not a convincing argument? Time to fight that liberal rag that most Americans claim to value so much.

"no State shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person the equal protection of the laws."

Equal protection under the law doesn't mandate gay marriage any more than it mandates incest among those who want to marry close kin or polygamy among those who love more than one person at a time.

[jundp 191]

Why doesn't your morality have any bearing on the legality or illegality of abortion? It's because you laid down and let the courts roll over you. I don't. That's a fight that isn't over any more than the fight against gay marriage. But, then some of us are more passionate and advocative about our beliefs than others.

Oh my. Now is it a pissing contest of "I'm more passionate in my beliefs"?

Morality of religion should not have any bearing on the laws passed by a secular government.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You can't cherry pick the constitution man.... Seriously.

It's done every day. You ever heard of eminent domain? You can't shout fire in a crowded theater? Patriot laws?

Get serious.

[Susita 175]

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Equal protection under the law doesn't mandate gay marriage any more than it mandates incest among those who want to marry close kin or polygamy among those who love more than one person at a time.

Ah yes, you do not disappoint. well, a little, actually. You only covered incest and polygamy but failed to pull the bestiality card. Keeping that for later? Either way, I'm not interested in a discussion on either of the other issues bu would rather we stick to the debate at hand. If you can handle it.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Hell you can even quote the bible (perhaps the part where it says: Mat 7:1-5 "Judge not, that ye be not judged) to them.

Don't stop there....keep going ! ( hint : 1 Cor. 6:1-3 ).

It started with the church

No it didn't. It started with Adam and Eve. They had a garden wedding.