FACT CHECK: Obama overlooks some tough realities

[DEDixon 39]

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's speech Tuesday night did not always match the reality on the ground in Afghanistan.

The president raised expectations that may be hard to meet when he told Americans his troop increase in Afghanistan will accelerate the training of that country's own forces and be accompanied by more help from allies.

A look at some of his claims and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA: "Because this is an international effort, I have asked that our commitment be joined by contributions from our allies. Some have already provided additional troops, and we are confident that there will be further contributions in the days and weeks ahead."

THE FACTS: When Obama says he is confident that allied countries will provide more troops in the weeks ahead he is setting aside years of mostly empty-handed American efforts to get others, including allies in NATO, to deepen their commitment to combat in Afghanistan.

One reason, which Obama did not mention, is that other countries, particularly those in Europe, have viewed the conflict — and its likely solution — much differently than Washington. They have seen it primarily as a humanitarian and reconstruction mission, rather than a counterinsurgency fight. And they have pushed for greater nonmilitary means of addressing Afghanistan's instability.

For a time there also was a European sense of hangover from the U.S. invasion of Iraq and a perceived go-it-alone bent by the Bush administration.

Obama is technically correct in anticipating that some allies will offer more assistance, possibly as early as the coming week during a series of NATO consultations about how the troop requirements of commanders in Afghanistan might be met. But history has shown that these troop contributions often are incremental, sometimes slow in materializing and frequently with conditions attached.

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OBAMA: The extra U.S. forces for Afghanistan "will increase our ability to train competent Afghan Security Forces, and to partner with them so that more Afghans can get into the fight. And they will help create the conditions for the United States to transfer responsibility to the Afghans. "

THE FACTS: The problem with Afghan forces is not just their lack of numbers. And it's not an unwillingness to fight. The problem too often is their effectiveness, once trained for combat. Too many get into the fight but don't remain or don't perform.

A major change of approach promised by Obama's new chief commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, is to partner entire U.S. and NATO combat units with newly fielded Afghan units — large and small — so the Afghans get more exposure to professional military leadership practices and combat tactics. This is an approach that was used to good effect in recent years in Iraq.

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OBAMA: "In the past, there have been those in Pakistan who have argued that the struggle against extremism is not their fight and that Pakistan is better off doing little or seeking accommodation with those who use violence. But in recent years, as innocents have been killed from Karachi to Islamabad, it has become clear that it is the Pakistani people who are the most endangered by extremism. Public opinion has turned. The Pakistani army has waged an offensive in Swat and South Waziristan. And there is no doubt that the United States and Pakistan share a common enemy."

THE FACTS: It's true the Pakistani army this year has launched offensives against extremist elements in the areas cited by Obama. What he did not mention, however, is that the groups being targeted by the Pakistanis are those that threaten the Pakistani government — not those, also based in Pakistan, that are focused on attacking U.S. and Afghan forces on the other side of the porous border with Afghanistan.

Obama administration officials have publicly praised Pakistan for taking on the extremists in Swat and South Waziristan. But they also have made clear that they want Pakistan to put more military pressure on the Afghan-focused extremist groups, which have so far not been confronted on the Pakistan side of the border, other than by airstrikes from unmanned U.S. drones.

Among the groups not yet confronted directly by the Pakistani army is al-Qaida, whose top leader, Osama bin Laden, is believed to be hiding on the Pakistan side of the border.

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OBAMA: "Let me be clear: there has never been an option before me that called for troop deployments before 2010, so there has been no delay or denial of resources necessary for the conduct of the war."

THE FACTS: He is correct, despite being accused by former Vice President ####### Cheney of dithering by taking the autumn to review options for Afghanistan.

Former Afghan war commander Gen. David McKiernan asked in 2008 for three brigades — of which two were approved for deployment by Obama in March of this year — but wanted the third to arrive in 2010, not earlier. His successor, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, posited a range of troop buildups — favoring about 40,000 — but did not ask for them to be in place as early as this year.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_...ghanistan/print

[DEDixon 39]

what a retard, fvcktard, ####### head we have as a president... thanks a lot leftards.

[HAL 9000 96]

There there now... get rid of some of those sour grapes will ya. Dammed if he do... dammed if he don't.

[DEDixon 39]

no sour grapes, it is just that....

Name calling is fun, we all do it from time to time and to attribute some precious intellectual high ground simply because one indulges in it from time to time is puerile. If that's all one has...different story obviously.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

what a retard, fvcktard, ####### head we have as a president... thanks a lot leftards.

[HAL 9000 96]

no sour grapes, it is just that....

Name calling is fun, we all do it from time to time and to attribute some precious intellectual high ground simply because one indulges in it from time to time is puerile. If that's all one has...different story obviously.

I'll grant you that... only if it makes you feel better deep down inside. Get that rage out.

[scandal 951]

what a retard, fvcktard, ####### head we have as a president... thanks a lot leftards.

You're welcome.

We'll be happy to do you the same favor in 2012 and give you 4 more years of the same!

[Dan J 277]

what a retard, fvcktard, ####### head we have as a president... thanks a lot leftards.

Did you graduate from playground name-calling yet?

Any chance that your article may have been taken seriously was lost when you posted this immature comment.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Dan + Gemvita

[DEDixon 39]

what a retard, fvcktard, ####### head we have as a president... thanks a lot leftards.

Did you graduate from playground name-calling yet?

Any chance that your article may have been taken seriously was lost when you posted this immature comment.

you are right.

i thought about that... too late!

[DEDixon 39]

what a retard, fvcktard, ####### head we have as a president... thanks a lot leftards.

You're welcome.

We'll be happy to do you the same favor in 2012 and give you 4 more years of the same!

you are also right. the economy should be on track in 2012 and so americans will be at the malls and at the car dealerships. when americans can shop, they could care less about who is president so he will definitely get 4 more years. it doesn't matter to me. many repubs want a repub back in to reduce spending but repubs are in denial, amazingly they haven't noticed that the only time repubs want to reduce spending is when they aren't in power. only ron paul is serious about reducing spending, but stupid repubs won't wake up.

the dems, they want to spend no matter in power or out.

the repubs, only when they are in power.

both are buying voters plain and simple.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

what a retard, fvcktard, ####### head chopf**k we have as a president... thanks a lot leftards.

fixed, with VJ-apt terminology

[Peikko 1,575]

He's the best president the US have for the next 3 years

Glad to see so many of you appreciate how excellent your election process is Best int the WORLD!!!!!!

*edited to add*

Great to see DeDixon enjoying his new found freedom of speech. He's taken to name calling like a duck to water

Edited December 2, 2009 by Madame Cleo