Woman charged in Fort Hood-related hate crime:

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

It's a bar and grill and someone's got to be the designated driver. Designated drivers usually get free non-alcoholic drinks.

BTW, this incident took place in Illinois.

uh no. that's not acceptable as it's condoning it.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

It's a bar and grill and someone's got to be the designated driver. Designated drivers usually get free non-alcoholic drinks.

BTW, this incident took place in Illinois.

uh no. that's not acceptable as it's condoning it.

charles, meet real world.

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

It's a bar and grill and someone's got to be the designated driver. Designated drivers usually get free non-alcoholic drinks.

BTW, this incident took place in Illinois.

uh no. that's not acceptable as it's condoning it.

charles, meet real world.

it's more like a faux muslim.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

It's a bar and grill and someone's got to be the designated driver. Designated drivers usually get free non-alcoholic drinks.

BTW, this incident took place in Illinois.

uh no. that's not acceptable as it's condoning it.

charles, meet real world.

it's more like a faux muslim.

which exist in plenty in the real world.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

It's a bar and grill and someone's got to be the designated driver. Designated drivers usually get free non-alcoholic drinks.

BTW, this incident took place in Illinois.

uh no. that's not acceptable as it's condoning it.

Condoning what? Are we putting the victim on trial? It's a bar and GRILL.

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

It's a bar and grill and someone's got to be the designated driver. Designated drivers usually get free non-alcoholic drinks.

BTW, this incident took place in Illinois.

uh no. that's not acceptable as it's condoning it.

charles, meet real world.

it's more like a faux muslim.

Could Charles be a secret Muslim? It's always the one you least suspect. Ayatollah Chuck?

[HAL 9000 96]

According to what I hear of the incident, the victim was walking home. Apparently, Muslims-looking people should know better than to walk at night past places where non-Muslims are imbibing large quantities of ethanol.

[CasandraYounes 0]

wow....Well I hope this serves her right whatever kind of justice is imposed, but 3 years seems a bit much.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Could Charles be a secret Muslim? It's always the one you least suspect. Ayatollah Chuck?

Charles is just argumentative. That's why he fits in so well here on OT with the rest of us freaks

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Could Charles be a secret Muslim? It's always the one you least suspect. Ayatollah Chuck?

Charles is just argumentative. That's why he fits in so well here on OT with the rest of us freaks

I figured Charles was upset because Nessa made him change Ben's diapers again.

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

Could Charles be a secret Muslim? It's always the one you least suspect. Ayatollah Chuck?

Charles is just argumentative. That's why he fits in so well here on OT with the rest of us freaks

I figured Charles was upset because Nessa made him change Ben's diapers again.

[AlHayatZween 2]

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

it happens...

(i've heard...)

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

it happens...

(i've heard...)

You just went in to play some darts and pinball or were you the designated driver? As a good lil' musulman, it's not like you'd drink alcohol. You'd better hope He's merciful and compassionate.

Edited November 27, 2009 by IR5FORMUMSIE

[AlHayatZween 2]

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

it happens...

(i've heard...)

You just went in to play some darts and pinball or were you the designated driver? As a good lil' musulman, it's not like you'd drink alcohol. You'd better hope He's merciful and compassionate.

i fear when my time comes and it's time to weigh my transgressions,

i may hold up the line a bit...

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

wait a second, what's a muslim guy doing in a bar?

it happens...

(i've heard...)

You just went in to play some darts and pinball or were you the designated driver? As a good lil' musulman, it's not like you'd drink alcohol. You'd better hope He's merciful and compassionate.

i fear when my time comes and it's time to weigh my transgressions,

i may hold up the line a bit...

Don't worry Nakir and Munkir will make sure you keep moving.

[slim 1,533]

Kiddie porn vs. regular porn for example.

Regular porn isn't illegal.

Spray paint is not just spray paint when it carries a message or is done for a specific purpose.

Actually, it is. No matter what you spray or where..... it's still just paint.

It does matter, whether you choose to believe that or not. It is a violation of personal freedom and the freedom to practice religious freedom.

No, once again, it's still just spray paint.

What if someone spray painted a Star of David on the inside of a church, I doubt that you'd feel the same. I wonder if you'd feel the same way if someone took a dump on or burned the flag? It's only free speech.

Well, actually, the spray painting is vandalism (probably breaking and entering and maybe a hate crime too) but the flag pooping and burning would be perfectly legal provided they had the right permits and/or were complying with local zoning ordinances.

There is no cheapening of the law if it maintains order in society and thus ensures the protection of everyone.

This is where you, and many others on this thread, have missed the entire point. The group of folks who would give up Liberty for Security and get neither. The folks who don't mind waiving their 4th Amendment rights (and many others) as long as they're promised the govt. will only go after "the bad guys." Those who willingly abandon their individual right to protect themselves because there's a policeman several minutes away.

You wish to compare apples to oranges, white collar crime to hate crime, so it's not a valid argument. The likelihood of injury with a gunman is many times higher than with a banker. You are again arguing penalties and sentencing. You are repeating your idea that hate crime prosecution will take away resources from the prosecution from other types of crime and will lead to lesser penalties for other crimes. That is not true in the least. Fortunately, hate crimes are still quite rare. I think penalties for white collar crime are far too lenient but that's another issue.

So what if we sentenced a white collar crime as a theft, just like the guy who held up the bank? Why not make the sentence based on the actual dollar amount and if we don't like the fact that a weapon was involved in the more personal heist, we can throw in an assault charge? I bet we'd see far less white collar crime. But, that's not fair is it? That "unfairly" prosecutes someone who steals millions and millions of dollars as opposed to someone who gets away with maybe a few grand. Fair?

1. Nation of Islam is not Islamic and its members are not Muslims. This is a statement of fact, not a racist statement. Their beliefs have little in common with doctrinal Islam.

So if they say they're Muslims..... ah.... well, what are they really? And where are all these facts coming from?