I-129f and G325 VS white out. please help

[hopps 0]

For my I-129F form and G325 Forms my fiance just recently moved. she already sent me the g325 forms signed with her old address........should I just white out everything and write in the new address or should I just add the new address to the bottom of the list, cross out present and put a date, and/or draw arrows pointing the right addresses to the right dates? same with the I129F form.....should I just white it out and write in the new address or start a new form?

If I'm not making much sense let me know. I'm sleepy. Thanks again everyone for all the help.

[Scott and Mhay 57]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

[hopps 0]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

my only issue with getting new forms is that she would have to send them again....which means more time...I actually don't really care about the money I just want her here already. hhhmmm actually.....her parents still live at her old address listed in the G325....does the I129f have to match up with the G325 when it comes to the addresses? or even can I write a letter stating that the address on the forms are of her parents house and that she is only at the new address until she gets here?

[ZorValachan 0]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

my only issue with getting new forms is that she would have to send them again....which means more time...I actually don't really care about the money I just want her here already. hhhmmm actually.....her parents still live at her old address listed in the G325....does the I129f have to match up with the G325 when it comes to the addresses? or even can I write a letter stating that the address on the forms are of her parents house and that she is only at the new address until she gets here?

Here is something to think about:

White-out might lead an adjudicator to the assumption a change was made after the signature. Sure a person can sign a blank form and someone else fill it out, but as it is 'against common sense' for someone to just sign without knowing what they are signing, it would not be assumed to happen. This is an official form, so the signature is to be after the form is filled out. The white-out on the other hand gives credence to it being done after the signature to 'change' what the signer actually signed.

You would have great risk for an RFE in doing this (or possible RFE if when the adjudicator finally gets to your petition and notices the g325a and i129f do not match with addresses. "Why, if filled out at roughly the same time, would they be different?" he may ask).

The RFE will take time to get to you. Then you have to ask your SO for it to be sent to you. Then you have to send the new forms to USCIS anyway. Then the adjudicator has to make the time to find and work on your case...again. This will lead to MORE time away from your SO than just having her send you correct forms.

That is my suggestion and reasoning, which others may or may not agree with. Using preventative measures and fixing mistakes before you send things in will save you time in the long run over fixing things as they become problems.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

Yes, you can. Correction tape is neater. It is important the information be ACCURATE, not whether it has been corrected.

[Scott and Mhay 57]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

my only issue with getting new forms is that she would have to send them again....which means more time...I actually don't really care about the money I just want her here already. hhhmmm actually.....her parents still live at her old address listed in the G325....does the I129f have to match up with the G325 when it comes to the addresses? or even can I write a letter stating that the address on the forms are of her parents house and that she is only at the new address until she gets here?

no I would think that it would be a red flag if you had the 2 different addresses. For me the extra week now would definately be better than 6 on the others later. All you have to do is e-mail one already filled out..have her print, sign, and send the 325 back. At what stage did she know she was moving? Either just leave it the way it is (which really isnt right) or do it right and have her current address in there. In the end it is your choice, so if you go a different route than the right route, you will have no one to blame but yourself. You are talking about an extra week or 2 right now.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

my only issue with getting new forms is that she would have to send them again....which means more time...I actually don't really care about the money I just want her here already. hhhmmm actually.....her parents still live at her old address listed in the G325....does the I129f have to match up with the G325 when it comes to the addresses? or even can I write a letter stating that the address on the forms are of her parents house and that she is only at the new address until she gets here?

Here is something to think about:

White-out might lead an adjudicator to the assumption a change was made after the signature. Sure a person can sign a blank form and someone else fill it out, but as it is 'against common sense' for someone to just sign without knowing what they are signing, it would not be assumed to happen. This is an official form, so the signature is to be after the form is filled out. The white-out on the other hand gives credence to it being done after the signature to 'change' what the signer actually signed.

You would have great risk for an RFE in doing this (or possible RFE if when the adjudicator finally gets to your petition and notices the g325a and i129f do not match with addresses. "Why, if filled out at roughly the same time, would they be different?" he may ask).

The RFE will take time to get to you. Then you have to ask your SO for it to be sent to you. Then you have to send the new forms to USCIS anyway. Then the adjudicator has to make the time to find and work on your case...again. This will lead to MORE time away from your SO than just having her send you correct forms.

That is my suggestion and reasoning, which others may or may not agree with. Using preventative measures and fixing mistakes before you send things in will save you time in the long run over fixing things as they become problems.

Doesn't matter if the change was made after the signature. Alla signed blank forms. I filled them out and corrected them AFTER she signed. She never even saw the completed forms until the interview. These are not affidavits, they are not notarized, they are historical data and should be correct. You can also draw a line through the incorrect information and write the correct information above it, which is exactly what I did. As long as everyhting is legible

There is not even a signature required for the G-325a for the foreign fiancee, though it is best to attach a waiver request asking she be able to sign it at the interview...what does that mean? OBVIOUSLY it means SHE did not fill it out.

It is only important information be accuarte

[pushbrk 12,979]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

my only issue with getting new forms is that she would have to send them again....which means more time...I actually don't really care about the money I just want her here already. hhhmmm actually.....her parents still live at her old address listed in the G325....does the I129f have to match up with the G325 when it comes to the addresses? or even can I write a letter stating that the address on the forms are of her parents house and that she is only at the new address until she gets here?

Here is something to think about:

White-out might lead an adjudicator to the assumption a change was made after the signature. Sure a person can sign a blank form and someone else fill it out, but as it is 'against common sense' for someone to just sign without knowing what they are signing, it would not be assumed to happen. This is an official form, so the signature is to be after the form is filled out. The white-out on the other hand gives credence to it being done after the signature to 'change' what the signer actually signed.

You would have great risk for an RFE in doing this (or possible RFE if when the adjudicator finally gets to your petition and notices the g325a and i129f do not match with addresses. "Why, if filled out at roughly the same time, would they be different?" he may ask).

The RFE will take time to get to you. Then you have to ask your SO for it to be sent to you. Then you have to send the new forms to USCIS anyway. Then the adjudicator has to make the time to find and work on your case...again. This will lead to MORE time away from your SO than just having her send you correct forms.

That is my suggestion and reasoning, which others may or may not agree with. Using preventative measures and fixing mistakes before you send things in will save you time in the long run over fixing things as they become problems.

Doesn't matter if the change was made after the signature. Alla signed blank forms. I filled them out and corrected them AFTER she signed. She never even saw the completed forms until the interview. These are not affidavits, they are not notarized, they are historical data and should be correct. You can also draw a line through the incorrect information and write the correct information above it, which is exactly what I did. As long as everyhting is legible

There is not even a signature required for the G-325a for the foreign fiancee, though it is best to attach a waiver request asking she be able to sign it at the interview...what does that mean? OBVIOUSLY it means SHE did not fill it out.

It is only important information be accuarte

In my experience, you can get mail from the PI in a three or four days via courier. Since money isn't an issue to you, why not fill out the form in PDF again, email it to her and have her courier the signed one back to you? Otherwise, as Gary suggests you could skip the signature and rather than an attached request, I would simply type in the signature line "Will sign at Consulate" leaving room for a signature and date, then attach this memo.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/I1...325A_110105.pdf

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

my only issue with getting new forms is that she would have to send them again....which means more time...I actually don't really care about the money I just want her here already. hhhmmm actually.....her parents still live at her old address listed in the G325....does the I129f have to match up with the G325 when it comes to the addresses? or even can I write a letter stating that the address on the forms are of her parents house and that she is only at the new address until she gets here?

Here is something to think about:

White-out might lead an adjudicator to the assumption a change was made after the signature. Sure a person can sign a blank form and someone else fill it out, but as it is 'against common sense' for someone to just sign without knowing what they are signing, it would not be assumed to happen. This is an official form, so the signature is to be after the form is filled out. The white-out on the other hand gives credence to it being done after the signature to 'change' what the signer actually signed.

You would have great risk for an RFE in doing this (or possible RFE if when the adjudicator finally gets to your petition and notices the g325a and i129f do not match with addresses. "Why, if filled out at roughly the same time, would they be different?" he may ask).

The RFE will take time to get to you. Then you have to ask your SO for it to be sent to you. Then you have to send the new forms to USCIS anyway. Then the adjudicator has to make the time to find and work on your case...again. This will lead to MORE time away from your SO than just having her send you correct forms.

That is my suggestion and reasoning, which others may or may not agree with. Using preventative measures and fixing mistakes before you send things in will save you time in the long run over fixing things as they become problems.

Doesn't matter if the change was made after the signature. Alla signed blank forms. I filled them out and corrected them AFTER she signed. She never even saw the completed forms until the interview. These are not affidavits, they are not notarized, they are historical data and should be correct. You can also draw a line through the incorrect information and write the correct information above it, which is exactly what I did. As long as everyhting is legible

There is not even a signature required for the G-325a for the foreign fiancee, though it is best to attach a waiver request asking she be able to sign it at the interview...what does that mean? OBVIOUSLY it means SHE did not fill it out.

It is only important information be accuarte

In my experience, you can get mail from the PI in a three or four days via courier. Since money isn't an issue to you, why not fill out the form in PDF again, email it to her and have her courier the signed one back to you? Otherwise, as Gary suggests you could skip the signature and rather than an attached request, I would simply type in the signature line "Will sign at Consulate" leaving room for a signature and date, then attach this memo.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/I1...325A_110105.pdf

Thanks Pushbrk. I looked around the dirty cobweb corners of my computer for that memo and couldn't find it. I do not use it much. Anyway, I have now saved it in a safe place.

[hopps 0]

ok how about this. my fiance said both her old address(her parents house) and her new address (her apartment) are kind of hard to find. Do you guys/girls think it would be ok to produce a letter explaining that both her addresses are hard to find and to send all mail (like forms and such for the interview) be sent to her friend's house (Much easier to find)?

This way she for sure gets the mail from the embassy and I don't have to change any information considering the fact that she technically lives at both locations at the same time.

[ZorValachan 0]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

my only issue with getting new forms is that she would have to send them again....which means more time...I actually don't really care about the money I just want her here already. hhhmmm actually.....her parents still live at her old address listed in the G325....does the I129f have to match up with the G325 when it comes to the addresses? or even can I write a letter stating that the address on the forms are of her parents house and that she is only at the new address until she gets here?

Here is something to think about:

White-out might lead an adjudicator to the assumption a change was made after the signature. Sure a person can sign a blank form and someone else fill it out, but as it is 'against common sense' for someone to just sign without knowing what they are signing, it would not be assumed to happen. This is an official form, so the signature is to be after the form is filled out. The white-out on the other hand gives credence to it being done after the signature to 'change' what the signer actually signed.

You would have great risk for an RFE in doing this (or possible RFE if when the adjudicator finally gets to your petition and notices the g325a and i129f do not match with addresses. "Why, if filled out at roughly the same time, would they be different?" he may ask).

The RFE will take time to get to you. Then you have to ask your SO for it to be sent to you. Then you have to send the new forms to USCIS anyway. Then the adjudicator has to make the time to find and work on your case...again. This will lead to MORE time away from your SO than just having her send you correct forms.

That is my suggestion and reasoning, which others may or may not agree with. Using preventative measures and fixing mistakes before you send things in will save you time in the long run over fixing things as they become problems.

Doesn't matter if the change was made after the signature. Alla signed blank forms. I filled them out and corrected them AFTER she signed. She never even saw the completed forms until the interview. These are not affidavits, they are not notarized, they are historical data and should be correct. You can also draw a line through the incorrect information and write the correct information above it, which is exactly what I did. As long as everyhting is legible

There is not even a signature required for the G-325a for the foreign fiancee, though it is best to attach a waiver request asking she be able to sign it at the interview...what does that mean? OBVIOUSLY it means SHE did not fill it out.

It is only important information be accuarte

I will have to disagree on a technicality.

I am not saying the SO has to fill it out. I too have filled out every form. But I did it first and she signed it after seeing it was factual and accurate.

Yes, the SO may sign blank forms and give them to you. But the signature is to state that the information is correct and accurate. If the signature comes first it cannot verify the accuracy or correctness of the form.

If the form is filled out and the waiver included, it is for her to sign it when she is there-after it is filled out. After the SO can see it and verify it is correct, and-or make changes before the signature is applied.

Sure, people can do it, but I would not count on it always being an non-issue.

[ZorValachan 0]

Did not get editing done fast enough:

I did not think about the waiver before my 1st post. (and forgot to mention it in 2nd).

new form+waiver = easiest and fastest and neatest, IMO.

Edited November 20, 2009 by ZorValachan

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

ok how about this. my fiance said both her old address(her parents house) and her new address (her apartment) are kind of hard to find. Do you guys/girls think it would be ok to produce a letter explaining that both her addresses are hard to find and to send all mail (like forms and such for the interview) be sent to her friend's house (Much easier to find)?

This way she for sure gets the mail from the embassy and I don't have to change any information considering the fact that she technically lives at both locations at the same time.

The mailman can't find it?

Mail delivery in many parts of the world, including Ukraine, is iffy at best. We still have the same flat in Donetsk and packet 3 is yet to arrive. I think it never will. Most everything is available for download. You can draw a map to her house and attach it if you want, but I think if she gets mail delivered, then her address exactly as on mail will be fine. If she doesn't get packet 3 you can always download it.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

my only issue with getting new forms is that she would have to send them again....which means more time...I actually don't really care about the money I just want her here already. hhhmmm actually.....her parents still live at her old address listed in the G325....does the I129f have to match up with the G325 when it comes to the addresses? or even can I write a letter stating that the address on the forms are of her parents house and that she is only at the new address until she gets here?

Here is something to think about:

White-out might lead an adjudicator to the assumption a change was made after the signature. Sure a person can sign a blank form and someone else fill it out, but as it is 'against common sense' for someone to just sign without knowing what they are signing, it would not be assumed to happen. This is an official form, so the signature is to be after the form is filled out. The white-out on the other hand gives credence to it being done after the signature to 'change' what the signer actually signed.

You would have great risk for an RFE in doing this (or possible RFE if when the adjudicator finally gets to your petition and notices the g325a and i129f do not match with addresses. "Why, if filled out at roughly the same time, would they be different?" he may ask).

The RFE will take time to get to you. Then you have to ask your SO for it to be sent to you. Then you have to send the new forms to USCIS anyway. Then the adjudicator has to make the time to find and work on your case...again. This will lead to MORE time away from your SO than just having her send you correct forms.

That is my suggestion and reasoning, which others may or may not agree with. Using preventative measures and fixing mistakes before you send things in will save you time in the long run over fixing things as they become problems.

Doesn't matter if the change was made after the signature. Alla signed blank forms. I filled them out and corrected them AFTER she signed. She never even saw the completed forms until the interview. These are not affidavits, they are not notarized, they are historical data and should be correct. You can also draw a line through the incorrect information and write the correct information above it, which is exactly what I did. As long as everyhting is legible

There is not even a signature required for the G-325a for the foreign fiancee, though it is best to attach a waiver request asking she be able to sign it at the interview...what does that mean? OBVIOUSLY it means SHE did not fill it out.

It is only important information be accuarte

I will have to disagree on a technicality.

I am not saying the SO has to fill it out. I too have filled out every form. But I did it first and she signed it after seeing it was factual and accurate.

Yes, the SO may sign blank forms and give them to you. But the signature is to state that the information is correct and accurate. If the signature comes first it cannot verify the accuracy or correctness of the form.

If the form is filled out and the waiver included, it is for her to sign it when she is there-after it is filled out. After the SO can see it and verify it is correct, and-or make changes before the signature is applied.

Sure, people can do it, but I would not count on it always being an non-issue.

Really, it is a non-issue. "Complete and accurate" does not mean you can't make a mistake. Alla corrected a date mistake I made on hers at the interview. Not an issue, really. Little, if anything, on a G-325a is "material" information. Meaning none of it makes a difference. Where your fiancee lived and when has no bearing on if a visa is issued or a petition approved. Neither does where she worked, the names of prior spouse or the names of parents (if known). She can make changes after the signature is applied. Alla did it at the window in the consulate.

The form is used to sort out and identify you or your fiance(e) if their name generates a hit on the bad guy list, for example.

[pushbrk 12,979]

Unfortunately I wouldnt white out anything...but i dont know where it says you cant....although on the g325 you would have to move all the addresses where she lived down one. I would do it the right way and do new forms. Since you have not submitted them yet...but that's just me.

my only issue with getting new forms is that she would have to send them again....which means more time...I actually don't really care about the money I just want her here already. hhhmmm actually.....her parents still live at her old address listed in the G325....does the I129f have to match up with the G325 when it comes to the addresses? or even can I write a letter stating that the address on the forms are of her parents house and that she is only at the new address until she gets here?

Here is something to think about:

White-out might lead an adjudicator to the assumption a change was made after the signature. Sure a person can sign a blank form and someone else fill it out, but as it is 'against common sense' for someone to just sign without knowing what they are signing, it would not be assumed to happen. This is an official form, so the signature is to be after the form is filled out. The white-out on the other hand gives credence to it being done after the signature to 'change' what the signer actually signed.

You would have great risk for an RFE in doing this (or possible RFE if when the adjudicator finally gets to your petition and notices the g325a and i129f do not match with addresses. "Why, if filled out at roughly the same time, would they be different?" he may ask).

The RFE will take time to get to you. Then you have to ask your SO for it to be sent to you. Then you have to send the new forms to USCIS anyway. Then the adjudicator has to make the time to find and work on your case...again. This will lead to MORE time away from your SO than just having her send you correct forms.

That is my suggestion and reasoning, which others may or may not agree with. Using preventative measures and fixing mistakes before you send things in will save you time in the long run over fixing things as they become problems.

Doesn't matter if the change was made after the signature. Alla signed blank forms. I filled them out and corrected them AFTER she signed. She never even saw the completed forms until the interview. These are not affidavits, they are not notarized, they are historical data and should be correct. You can also draw a line through the incorrect information and write the correct information above it, which is exactly what I did. As long as everyhting is legible

There is not even a signature required for the G-325a for the foreign fiancee, though it is best to attach a waiver request asking she be able to sign it at the interview...what does that mean? OBVIOUSLY it means SHE did not fill it out.

It is only important information be accuarte

I will have to disagree on a technicality.

I am not saying the SO has to fill it out. I too have filled out every form. But I did it first and she signed it after seeing it was factual and accurate.

Yes, the SO may sign blank forms and give them to you. But the signature is to state that the information is correct and accurate. If the signature comes first it cannot verify the accuracy or correctness of the form.

If the form is filled out and the waiver included, it is for her to sign it when she is there-after it is filled out. After the SO can see it and verify it is correct, and-or make changes before the signature is applied.

Sure, people can do it, but I would not count on it always being an non-issue.

Really, it is a non-issue. "Complete and accurate" does not mean you can't make a mistake. Alla corrected a date mistake I made on hers at the interview. Not an issue, really. Little, if anything, on a G-325a is "material" information. Meaning none of it makes a difference. Where your fiancee lived and when has no bearing on if a visa is issued or a petition approved. Neither does where she worked, the names of prior spouse or the names of parents (if known). She can make changes after the signature is applied. Alla did it at the window in the consulate.

The form is used to sort out and identify you or your fiance(e) if their name generates a hit on the bad guy list, for example.

My wife would not have been able to verify the accuracy of anything on any of the forms she signed because she doesn't read English. Her G325a signatures were made on sticky labels and applied to the G325a after I typed and printed the PDF forms.