Democrats & Abortion

[Peikko 1,575]

Joe, here's a question for you, seeing as you like hypotheticals. Who is the greater sinner?

The man who considers abortion murder but considers the killing of anyone else only murder if the person killed is 'innocent'.

The man who considers abortion an acceptable killing, but considers the killing of anyone else murder?

There are no greater or lesser sinners. Wrong is wrong and we're all sinners. But as a society I think we aren't so barbaric as to take innocent life out of convenience.

I respect people who do not believe in the death penalty, and also do not agree with abortion. But I cannot reconcile someone who believes in shedding an innocent baby's blood, but would fight tooth and nail to save a murdering rapist who is on death row.

Society kills all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons, very few of which are justifiable from a purely 'moral' stand point although of course that really does depend on where you put your lines in the sand.

You are appraising people's worth based on your definition of what constitutes 'innocence'. That's fine but that again is your definition, not one that is universally shared whether you understand or respect that or not.

Edited November 17, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Joseph, I think we both agree that taking the life of another is morally wrong, however there are situations where a greater wrong exists and it is not easy to make that kind of judgment. My POV is that I don't want to see a woman be criminally charged for choosing to have an abortion.

I'm not naive. I do not think it would be an enforcable law. We can debate all we want, but in the end its about reducing and eliminating the demand for abortions.

See, we can have a productive discussion on such an issue. I'm with you on that.

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Joseph, I think we both agree that taking the life of another is morally wrong, however there are situations where a greater wrong exists and it is not easy to make that kind of judgment. My POV is that I don't want to see a woman be criminally charged for choosing to have an abortion.

I'm not naive. I do not think it would be an enforcable law. We can debate all we want, but in the end its about reducing and eliminating the demand for abortions.

See, we can have a productive discussion on such an issue. I'm with you on that.

That would be a wonderful achievement indeed. One that even all pro-choicers would have no problem working towards.

[Susita 175]

See, we can have a productive discussion on such an issue. I'm with you on that.

What I don't get is why there are so many abortions among young women (I'm not talking about teenagers -that's a whole different story) when birth control is 100% available and affordable - the morning after pill is available through PP for free if people qualify and discounted as well. I just never got that.

[HAL 9000 96]

See, we can have a productive discussion on such an issue. I'm with you on that.

What I don't get is why there are so many abortions among young women (I'm not talking about teenagers -that's a whole different story) when birth control is 100% available and affordable - the morning after pill is available through PP for free if people qualify and discounted as well. I just never got that.

Think about that next time a sex ed class is rejected for not promoting abstinence as the only way to avoid a pregnancy.

And the problem spirals to... why and who is doing the rejecting...

[one...two...tree 2,762]

See, we can have a productive discussion on such an issue. I'm with you on that.

What I don't get is why there are so many abortions among young women (I'm not talking about teenagers -that's a whole different story) when birth control is 100% available and affordable - the morning after pill is available through PP for free if people qualify and discounted as well. I just never got that.

I'm not sure if many people are aware, but one of the most popular and effective forms of birth control is the IUD, which basically prevents the fertilized egg from nesting in the uterus. So a woman who has used an IUD for several years could have had dozens of aborted pregnancies and not even known it.

[HAL 9000 96]

See, we can have a productive discussion on such an issue. I'm with you on that.

What I don't get is why there are so many abortions among young women (I'm not talking about teenagers -that's a whole different story) when birth control is 100% available and affordable - the morning after pill is available through PP for free if people qualify and discounted as well. I just never got that.

I'm not sure if many people are aware, but one of the most popular and effective forms of birth control is the IUD, which basically prevents the fertilized egg from nesting in the uterus. So a woman who has used an IUD for several years could have had dozens of aborted pregnancies and not even known it.

That would make them pro-abortionists!!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

See, we can have a productive discussion on such an issue. I'm with you on that.

What I don't get is why there are so many abortions among young women (I'm not talking about teenagers -that's a whole different story) when birth control is 100% available and affordable - the morning after pill is available through PP for free if people qualify and discounted as well. I just never got that.

I'm not sure if many people are aware, but one of the most popular and effective forms of birth control is the IUD, which basically prevents the fertilized egg from nesting in the uterus. So a woman who has used an IUD for several years could have had dozens of aborted pregnancies and not even known it.

That would make them pro-abortionists!!

The Catholic Church, as far as I know, is the only group that is opposed to IUD's for this reason. Of course, the Church is opposed to any form of contraception, except NFP.

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Does the Catholic Church have death panels?

[Ban Hammer 14,665]

Does the Catholic Church have death panels?

they used to.

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And nobody expected them!