Situation of migrant workers in Europe

[Peikko 1,575]

Britty, that's scurelous nonesense. Most if not all of the migrants from former British colonies have always contributed to the UK society financially and for the most part did not come to the UK illegally. I can't imagine what possessed you to make such a stupid statement, aside from trying to get one over on Col. Bat.

[Ban Hammer 14,085]

I am so tired of illegal immigrants whining. You accept certain conditions with your illegal status, one of them being savvy business people paying you shite wages and giving you crappy jobs. There is a simple fix if you are not entirely satisifed with your lot and that is to return home.

that's too common sense for some to grasp.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

They are illegal aliens. They took their chances getting to Europe on the promise of a better life, probably from someone who they paid a lot of money. Should Europe relax its legal right to refuse entry to immigrants, or refuse to legalise those there already? Hell, no.

Immigration law is not something to be disregarded in every case, just because the immigrant believes so. The sovereign nations that constitute the EU formulated their policy and have every right to implement and enforce it. As should the USA.

And if the illegal immigrants don't like it, they can go back to where they came from, or try somewhere else that does not have the same immigration conditions. Their choice.

This is prevailing issue that has been going on for a long time and neither the EU nor the US seems to have viable solution. It's driven by economics - supply and demand. There in lies a solution.

The UK has its own solution, a 22 mile wide stretch of water, at its narrow point, called the English Channel. The implementation and enforcement of immigration controls has been more successful than most, and a large number of those that try making it to the UK, in trucks, on trains, in containers, etc. are caught and deported. And the French get to dismantle the shanty towns that grow up around the ferry ports and rail terminals every so often.

The mood in Europe is hardening. Illegal immigrants will find it progressively harder to find their way to the EU and harder to find their way in the EU. The economy is a harsh mistress.

The Right Wing approach isn't the solution. All it's doing is further marginalizing them.

And your by rote trotting out of the "Right Wing Approach" shows how little you know and understand the European mindset and how blind your bias makes you. The current government in the UK is left wing and has been for the past 12 years. Under this government, the UK introduced its citizenship testing, which makes it way harder for legal immigrants. Labour has taken the battle to the French, most notably at Sangatte, to get them to dismantle the transitory camps that were acting as a staging post for illegal immigrants' attempts to reach the shores of the UK.

If, by further "marginalising" illegal immigrants, the EU stem the number of people trying to enter the EU illegally, and persuades numbers of those already there to leave, good. There is no right to free travel free immigration in this world. Illegal immigrants need to understand that simple fact.

It is not a Right Wing approach. It is the right approach.

Europe has been moving toward the Right for awhile now.

I did read where France has a regularization process for undocumented workers. I'm not sure about the exact details, but basically, if you have pay stubs that show you are gainfully employed and have been for some time, you may qualify for regularization.

The problem isn't with the migrant workers themselves, but many countries don't want those migrant workers to use their services, so they become marginalized. Again, it's a supply and demand issue and therein lies a solution.

Europe has been moving right because left doesn't work.

And your supply and demand "solution" doesn't work. The native populations affected by the issue won't let it. Europe has found that out already. The USA will follow, the only question is will it follow in time, or not?

The EU has not solved their issues with undocumented workers. Isn't it incredible, the human capacity for survival? That in spite of incredible odds, people are willing to risk a lot just to survive. That's at the heart of the issue. And let's not forget the UK's great history of exploiting Third World countries. God forbid some of those natives come to the UK in hope for a better life. Astonishing the nonchalant view of its historical context.

They did, and lived it up on benefit checks, free cars, and child support payments.... while the taxpayer suffered the consequences.

Karma

[Danno 1,228]

They are illegal aliens. They took their chances getting to Europe on the promise of a better life, probably from someone who they paid a lot of money. Should Europe relax its legal right to refuse entry to immigrants, or refuse to legalise those there already? Hell, no.

Immigration law is not something to be disregarded in every case, just because the immigrant believes so. The sovereign nations that constitute the EU formulated their policy and have every right to implement and enforce it. As should the USA.

And if the illegal immigrants don't like it, they can go back to where they came from, or try somewhere else that does not have the same immigration conditions. Their choice.

This is prevailing issue that has been going on for a long time and neither the EU nor the US seems to have viable solution. It's driven by economics - supply and demand. There in lies a solution.

Well, I agree with that... the more you SUPPLY the more they DEMAND.

[Peikko 1,575]

Mr Bat, it's simply not true so Karma doesn't apply.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Mr Bat, it's simply not true so Karma doesn't apply.

In britty's mind it apparently does, so in her mind, she can think of it as karma.

They are illegal aliens. They took their chances getting to Europe on the promise of a better life, probably from someone who they paid a lot of money. Should Europe relax its legal right to refuse entry to immigrants, or refuse to legalise those there already? Hell, no.

Immigration law is not something to be disregarded in every case, just because the immigrant believes so. The sovereign nations that constitute the EU formulated their policy and have every right to implement and enforce it. As should the USA.

And if the illegal immigrants don't like it, they can go back to where they came from, or try somewhere else that does not have the same immigration conditions. Their choice.

This is prevailing issue that has been going on for a long time and neither the EU nor the US seems to have viable solution. It's driven by economics - supply and demand. There in lies a solution.

Well, I agree with that... the more you SUPPLY the more they DEMAND.

Have you ever traced your ancestry, Danno?

[S and S 12]

It is a point that if people stopped employing undocumented workers, then they would stop coming and those already in these countries would leave. I never have understood why they feel they should enjoy the same rights as citizens in the country. Can I come to their country and get free health care and maternity leave? I doubt it.

[HYENA 4]

SE Asia has had slavery and still does; developed countries use the undocumented worker guise to continue it. They wouldn't come if there were no benefit to them otherwise they could happily go back home. It's a mutual benefit; the conditions are far better than the sweat shops my fiancee came from in Thailand (and she was used because of her tribal ethnicity within Thailand)

With the pay, they can get a ticket and go home if they don't like it. Same with the Mexican immigrant workers who work pennies on the dollar here. They wouldn't do it if it was better at home.

Yes, I'm an illegal immigrant because I'm not Native American. We stole this country unfiar and square. I don't see anything going right for the indigenous people 'till they have a president yellowfeather in office.

SE Asia is terribly prejudice. Developed countries tend to treat migrant workers farrrr better than citizens of their own countries (if your skin is dark or you're unfortunate enough to be born with not the "right" bloodline...all white creamy and young. Look at the TV commercials...if you aint' what's on TV you can easily be "enslaved" in a 12/7day a week sweatshop. We've got friends who have been there for 20 years without the opportunity to find a husband because of NO time off (if you leave you can't come back and there's no better employment; they do so out of poverty, ignorance, despair and the fact they don't want to go into the oldest profession as an alternative).

The world is unfair, unfortunately.

Edited October 7, 2009 by HYENA

[S and S 12]

Yes, I'm an illegal immigrant because I'm not Native American. We stole this country unfiar and square. I don't see anything going right for the indigenous people 'till they have a president yellowfeather in office.

Not that I condone needless killing or slavery, because I don't, but every civilization on this earth migrated at some point and fought wars in the process of doing it. Even the native Americans migrated here at one point. There never was a fair war in my opinion so really your saying everyone is an illegal immigrant. It is an unfortunate consequence of war that the weaker of the two sides gets dominated, but it will never change.

[Danno 1,228]

Mr Bat, it's simply not true so Karma doesn't apply.

In britty's mind it apparently does, so in her mind, she can think of it as karma.

They are illegal aliens. They took their chances getting to Europe on the promise of a better life, probably from someone who they paid a lot of money. Should Europe relax its legal right to refuse entry to immigrants, or refuse to legalise those there already? Hell, no.

Immigration law is not something to be disregarded in every case, just because the immigrant believes so. The sovereign nations that constitute the EU formulated their policy and have every right to implement and enforce it. As should the USA.

And if the illegal immigrants don't like it, they can go back to where they came from, or try somewhere else that does not have the same immigration conditions. Their choice.

This is prevailing issue that has been going on for a long time and neither the EU nor the US seems to have viable solution. It's driven by economics - supply and demand. There in lies a solution.

Well, I agree with that... the more you SUPPLY the more they DEMAND.

Have you ever traced your ancestry, Danno?

Not really, but I am bettin if my ancestors went sneeking into another country... they did not demand rights, thats absurd.

Sick days and maternity leave.

Did your 4-fathers break into America Steve?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Mr Bat, it's simply not true so Karma doesn't apply.

In britty's mind it apparently does, so in her mind, she can think of it as karma.

They are illegal aliens. They took their chances getting to Europe on the promise of a better life, probably from someone who they paid a lot of money. Should Europe relax its legal right to refuse entry to immigrants, or refuse to legalise those there already? Hell, no.

Immigration law is not something to be disregarded in every case, just because the immigrant believes so. The sovereign nations that constitute the EU formulated their policy and have every right to implement and enforce it. As should the USA.

And if the illegal immigrants don't like it, they can go back to where they came from, or try somewhere else that does not have the same immigration conditions. Their choice.

This is prevailing issue that has been going on for a long time and neither the EU nor the US seems to have viable solution. It's driven by economics - supply and demand. There in lies a solution.

Well, I agree with that... the more you SUPPLY the more they DEMAND.

Have you ever traced your ancestry, Danno?

Not really, but I am bettin if my ancestors went sneeking into another country... they did not demand rights, thats absurd.

Sick days and maternity leave.

Did your 4-fathers break into America Steve?

Part of my ancestry is Native American. Another part is Irish and another English. The early Irish immigrants were often mistreated by the so-called nativists in their day. Some of them went on strike while the nativists wanted them deported. They came here to escape the potato famine...which was caused because of British colonialism. Imagine that. Know your history....it'll completely change your outlook on all immigration matters.

[Peikko 1,575]

Don't be silly Col Bat. Some people don't owe any debt to their ancestors but even if they did, each generation has its own problems, you can't live in the past.

[mawilson 2,133]

I am so tired of illegal immigrants whining. You accept certain conditions with your illegal status, one of them being savvy business people paying you shite wages and giving you crappy jobs. There is a simple fix if you are not entirely satisifed with your lot and that is to return home.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I am so tired of illegal immigrants whining. You accept certain conditions with your illegal status, one of them being savvy business people paying you shite wages and giving you crappy jobs. There is a simple fix if you are not entirely satisifed with your lot and that is to return home.

How about a deal where Britain gives up the 14 remaining occupied territories?

[Peikko 1,575]

Not, the Falklands? Maggie would turn in her grave - except she's not dead, yet!