Another idiot with a gun

[Peikko 1,575]

Do you really believe that? Or is this simply more zqt baiting?

Guns are what keep this country strong and safe RJ! Without them the Obama administration would have already taken us over in the name of communism or redistribution of wealth or socialism! Everyone should own a gun, it keeps the other person honest!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/06/louisi...ings/index.html

(CNN) -- A man shot his estranged wife to death, along with their son and grandson, before turning the gun on himself as police closed in, authorities in Livingston Parish, Louisiana, said Sunday.

Police say Dennis Carter Sr. shot four family members, three fatally, before turning the gun on himself.

Dennis Carter Sr., 50, also shot and critically injured his pregnant daughter-in-law, the parish sheriff's office said in a statement. The shootings occurred Saturday night in the town of Holden, Louisiana.

Authorities were dispatched to a report of shots fired at a home about 10:40 p.m. Upon arrival, they found three people dead and the fourth -- Amber Carter, 25 -- in critical condition, the statement said.

Those killed were Dennis Carter Jr., 26, Amber Carter's husband; their son Mason Carter, 2; and 49-year-old Donna Carter, mother of Dennis Carter Jr. and estranged wife of Dennis Carter Sr., police said. All had been shot to death. A 16-month-old child at the home was unharmed, authorities said.

Deputies believe Amber Carter attempted to escape from the gunman by jumping from a second-story window, holding Mason in her arms, the statement said, but the boy did not survive his gunshot wounds.

Amber Carter had several bullet wounds, said Perry Rushing, chief of operations for the sheriff's office, and authorities believe the gunman shot her in the back as she was attempting to get out the window while holding the child. She also may have been shot again after she got outside the home, Rushing told CNN.

Amber Carter was flown to a Baton Rouge, Louisiana, hospital, and later transferred to New Orleans, Rushing said. She was in critical condition as of Sunday morning.

A neighbor in the area told deputies that he heard a gunshot and saw Carter Sr. walking to a car, a red El Camino, with a gun in his hand, the sheriff's statement said.

At 11:30 p.m., a police officer in the adjacent town of Livingston saw the vehicle entering Interstate 12 heading eastbound, the statement said. A Livingston Parish sheriff's deputy followed the car and attempted to stop it. "However, the suspect shot himself with a handgun, in plain view of the officers, as the vehicle veered off the shoulder of the interstate near the Holden exit," police said.

Records from the Livingston Parish Detention Center show that Dennis Carter Sr., of Hammond, Louisiana, had been jailed "on three separate occasions in 2009 alone, on three separate charges of violation of a protective order and one charge of aggravated assault (domestic)," the sheriff's office said.

"At this time, there do not appear to be any other suspects or victims in this ongoing investigation," police said.

Holden is about 35 miles east of Baton Rouge.

[zqt3344 21]

Guns, guns and more guns, we need more, everyone needs one now!

Why do you think I hate them?

don't you have a thing against sword ownership?

[natty bumppo 297]

Changing attitudes isn't as easy as you might think.

There is the colonial British and Spanish method. I prefer the Spanish myself.

repression ... murder ... rape ... theft ... disease ...

glad to see you're for the finer things in life ...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why do you think I hate them?

don't you have a thing against sword ownership?

No.

I don't understand why someone would want a weapon that's concealed as an innocuous everyday object.

[Peikko 1,575]

Changing attitudes isn't as easy as you might think.

There is the colonial British and Spanish method. I prefer the Spanish myself.

repression ... murder ... rape ... theft ... disease ...

glad to see you're for the finer things in life ...

Natty, it was a joke.

[Peikko 1,575]

Why do you think I hate them?

don't you have a thing against sword ownership?

No.

I don't understand why someone would want a weapon that's concealed as an innocuous everyday object.

I can think of one reason, but it's not a very adult one...in fact it's something one assosiates with the under 11's for the most part.

[wifebeater 0]

Why do you think I hate them?

don't you have a thing against sword ownership?

No.

I don't understand why someone would want a weapon that's concealed as an innocuous everyday object.

Yeap!!!

[zqt3344 21]

The USA would even more safe if everyone could carry a concealed weapon! Protect yourself now!

Why do you think I hate them?

don't you have a thing against sword ownership?

No.

I don't understand why someone would want a weapon that's concealed as an innocuous everyday object.

I can think of one reason, but it's not a very adult one...in fact it's something one assosiates with the under 11's for the most part.

[Ban Hammer 14,235]

Changing attitudes isn't as easy as you might think.

There is the colonial British and Spanish method. I prefer the Spanish myself.

repression ... murder ... rape ... theft ... disease ...

glad to see you're for the finer things in life ...

and then there's always the spanish inquisition........

[zqt3344 21]

And what might that be Charles?

Changing attitudes isn't as easy as you might think.

There is the colonial British and Spanish method. I prefer the Spanish myself.

repression ... murder ... rape ... theft ... disease ...

glad to see you're for the finer things in life ...

and then there's always the spanish inquisition........

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why do you think I hate them?

don't you have a thing against sword ownership?

No.

I don't understand why someone would want a weapon that's concealed as an innocuous everyday object.

I can think of one reason, but it's not a very adult one...in fact it's something one assosiates with the under 11's for the most part.

If there's a serious market for this kind of thing then I'd say there's a fair few maladjusted adults trying to live vicariously through characters in Hollywood movies.

Taxi Driver anyone?

[tmma 467]

............

All I come away from this discussion with is this, I guess - some people don't want to learn. They don't want to admit there might be another side to a coin. They want to think that people like me want to take away their guns. We don't. We want a safer society. It's too bad we can't have a flippin' civilized discussion about it without defenses coming up.

Madame Cleo...I missed ^this post^ before--but this actually sums up my point too; just done so much better.

'civilized discussion without defenses coming up' on either side.

That's it, spot on.

Ah, one of the joys of posting on message boards such as this. There is no answer beyond taking what one can from such discussions and not getting outraged and annoyed by the rest.

I don't get outraged much especially not on message boards. Takes too much energy for little result.

edit--Eeeeek--although I will admit to a mild rise in BP over the Libyan bomber release. But that's a whole other subject.

Very sensible - however in a way, if one accepts that message boards are what they are, complaining about the quality of debate is perhaps a little silly

Ah, well, the Lockerbie bombing is surrounded by some very, very dark politics and murky investigation - the point I was trying to make there was that actually, the release itself, for the reasons that were given by the Scottish JM were fairly straightforward and not tainted by the murk. Of course you can only look at it that way if you understand and accept that Scottish law is what it is and not the way some people think it should be. The same can not be made for the British PM and his cohorts but that is quite definitely OT

Logical.

Sorry-I just found this Spock and had to find a way to pop in it.

carry on.....

[Heracles 417]

Changing attitudes isn't as easy as you might think.

There is the colonial British and Spanish method. I prefer the Spanish myself.

repression ... murder ... rape ... theft ... disease ...

glad to see you're for the finer things in life ...

Strange considering The United States America would not have existed if it had not been for that.

[Peikko 1,575]

Why do you think I hate them?

don't you have a thing against sword ownership?

No.

I don't understand why someone would want a weapon that's concealed as an innocuous everyday object.

I can think of one reason, but it's not a very adult one...in fact it's something one assosiates with the under 11's for the most part.

If there's a serious market for this kind of thing then I'd say there's a fair few maladjusted adults trying to live vicariously through characters in Hollywood movies.

Taxi Driver anyone?

Yeah, if. I don't know anything about weapons sales but the point to me is, how can serious and responsible gun owners not want to slam the availability of such glamorized weaponry as reprehensible and sending out the wrong message about weapons?

[HAL 9000 96]

Why do you think I hate them?

don't you have a thing against sword ownership?

No.

I don't understand why someone would want a weapon that's concealed as an innocuous everyday object.

Others prefer smallpox-infested blankets and rotten meat in the dead of winter to finish controlled populations off.

Changing attitudes isn't as easy as you might think.

There is the colonial British and Spanish method. I prefer the Spanish myself.

repression ... murder ... rape ... theft ... disease ...

glad to see you're for the finer things in life ...

and then there's always the spanish inquisition........

Good. That one is never expected.