Zidane apparently called "Dirty Terrorist"

[Ban Hammer 12,878]

i heard he accused zidane of using deoderant

here you go fishdude. does that above sound like xenophobia to you? racism? or just making a joke as it includes the ?

The joke itself is racialist. Racism is racialism with discrimination. Of course it is possible to racist and xenophobic or racialist and xenophobic at the same time.

so it's racism to say someone uses deoderant. i wonder what about those who don't. i learned something today

jeesh i had no idea being pc is so time consuming!

Sure - except as you and I well know, its a stereotype of continental europeans that they don't use deodorant. And I didn't say it was strictly racist. Its racialist IMO. Not exactly the same.

i don't know about which ones you are referring to, as the ones i knew in the netherlands (4 years) and the ones in germany (6 years) used such. and it is for sale in about every store i went to over there. now given that i said he did use it....how could that be racism?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How many hollyweird actors are conservative again?

Based on....? What? A few out of context quotes.

I might as well say all Republican churchgoers support George W. Bush. Would be just as much of a fallacy.

Right, but I would be willing to bet MOST Republican churchgoers support Dubya. (and which church, btw?)

Exactly - you make distinctions for the range of religious opinion out there. What church indeed...

My point is you have made an unjustifiable comment about a guy based on little more than a stereotype and some out of context quotations - that do not reveal his political beliefs.

Man, liberal really is a dirty word these days.

It is when you don't know what it means and use it as a label of shame and disparagement.

[yabasta 0]

Define any label? If i were called a liberal by a Republican i would assume they meant it as a slur but then again what is a republican? Your best bet is to abandon labels and the bias that goes along with them. Be yourself and debate issues instead of party politics.

If you think Johnny Depp said something outrageous why not debate that issue rather than make it liberals versus republicans? I mean come on now. How old are we all?(rhetorical question)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Define any label? If i were called a liberal by a Republican i would assume they meant it as a slur but then again what is a republican? Your best bet is to abandon labels and the bias that goes along with them. Be yourself and debate issues instead of party politics.

If you think Johnny Depp said something outrageous why not debate that issue rather than make it liberals versus republicans? I mean come on now. How old are we all?(rhetorical question)

Because Incanada doesn't want to discuss that. Ultimately, not understanding anything about the issues she wants to make it all about her - because that's the only way she can put things into context.

She's happy with her black and white world view and that the political philosophy of 'liberalism', what little she understands of it is somehow responsible for all the worlds ills.

This is what I was saying about polarisation of opinion through the media. Spoon fed politics, sloganising masquerading as debate - very much as Orwell predicted.

You can't have a debate with such people, because they have a fundementally simplistic and close-minded world view. It's like trying to drive blindfold on the freeway.

Edited July 11, 2006 by Fishdude

[incanada1234 0]

Oh fishdude. Don't take life so seriously.

[Ban Hammer 12,878]

Define any label? If i were called a liberal by a Republican i would assume they meant it as a slur but then again what is a republican? Your best bet is to abandon labels and the bias that goes along with them. Be yourself and debate issues instead of party politics.

If you think Johnny Depp said something outrageous why not debate that issue rather than make it liberals versus republicans? I mean come on now. How old are we all?(rhetorical question)

Because Incanada doesn't want to discuss that. Ultimately, not understanding anything about the issues she wants to make it all about her - because that's the only way she can put things into context.

She's happy with her black and white world view and that the political philosophy of 'liberalism', what little she understands of it is somehow responsible for all the worlds ills.

This is what I was saying about polarisation of opinion through the media. Spoon fed politics, sloganising masquerading as debate - very much as Orwell predicted.

You can't have a debate with such people, because they have a fundementally simplistic and close-minded world view. It's like trying to drive blindfold on the freeway.

fishdude's bible

[yabasta 0]

I know the debate took on a life of it`s own but it is worth noting this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/w...006/5168126.stm

Materazzi denies terrorist insult

Italy defender Marco Materazzi says he did insult France's Zinedine Zidane during the World Cup final, just before Zidane was sent off for a headbutt.

But Materazzi denied reports he called Zidane a "terrorist" or used insulting language towards Zidane's mother.

"It was the kind of insult you will hear dozens of times and just slips out of the ground," Materazzi is quoted in Italian paper La Gazetta dello Sport.

"I didn't call Zidane a terrorist and certainly didn't mention his mother."

[Ban Hammer 12,878]

I know the debate took on a life of it`s own but it is worth noting this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/w...006/5168126.stm

Materazzi denies terrorist insult

Italy defender Marco Materazzi says he did insult France's Zinedine Zidane during the World Cup final, just before Zidane was sent off for a headbutt.

But Materazzi denied reports he called Zidane a "terrorist" or used insulting language towards Zidane's mother.

"It was the kind of insult you will hear dozens of times and just slips out of the ground," Materazzi is quoted in Italian paper La Gazetta dello Sport.

"I didn't call Zidane a terrorist and certainly didn't mention his mother."

one sure fire way to tell - get the lip readers to watch it

[yabasta 0]

one sure fire way to tell - get the lip readers to watch it

Are you not trained in that field?

[Elizabethnhenry 0]

I know the debate took on a life of it`s own but it is worth noting this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/w...006/5168126.stm

Materazzi denies terrorist insult

Italy defender Marco Materazzi says he did insult France's Zinedine Zidane during the World Cup final, just before Zidane was sent off for a headbutt.

But Materazzi denied reports he called Zidane a "terrorist" or used insulting language towards Zidane's mother.

"It was the kind of insult you will hear dozens of times and just slips out of the ground," Materazzi is quoted in Italian paper La Gazetta dello Sport.

"I didn't call Zidane a terrorist and certainly didn't mention his mother."

one sure fire way to tell - get the lip readers to watch it

interesting! Well, as my granny always said: "whoever makes you angry, rules/controls you."

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i don't know about which ones you are referring to, as the ones i knew in the netherlands (4 years) and the ones in germany (6 years) used such. and it is for sale in about every store i went to over there. now given that i said he did use it....how could that be racism?

Its racialism, which as I said is different.

Its racialist to say 'French people smell' - which was the basis for your deodorant comment.

On the other hand it would be racist to say 'I'm not giving you a job, because you're French and you smell'.

Define any label? If i were called a liberal by a Republican i would assume they meant it as a slur but then again what is a republican? Your best bet is to abandon labels and the bias that goes along with them. Be yourself and debate issues instead of party politics.

If you think Johnny Depp said something outrageous why not debate that issue rather than make it liberals versus republicans? I mean come on now. How old are we all?(rhetorical question)

Because Incanada doesn't want to discuss that. Ultimately, not understanding anything about the issues she wants to make it all about her - because that's the only way she can put things into context.

She's happy with her black and white world view and that the political philosophy of 'liberalism', what little she understands of it is somehow responsible for all the worlds ills.

This is what I was saying about polarisation of opinion through the media. Spoon fed politics, sloganising masquerading as debate - very much as Orwell predicted.

You can't have a debate with such people, because they have a fundementally simplistic and close-minded world view. It's like trying to drive blindfold on the freeway.

fishdude's bible

If you say so.

[pri 0]

I condemn the head Butt given to tht Italian Butt head

Zidane is a great player and i admire his game due to which france made to finals, if he had not got tht Red card maybe France would hv won

It is sad france lost but am happy tht Italian butt head got tht

Al

[Ban Hammer 12,878]

Its racialism, which as I said is different.

Its racialist to say 'French people smell' - which was the basis for your deodorant comment.

On the other hand it would be racist to say 'I'm not giving you a job, because you're French and you smell'.

so one just can't win either way

If you say so.

[Sister Fracas 5]

I condemn the head Butt given to tht Italian Butt head

and the best post of this thread goes to....pri

[CarolineM 0]

It's not like the Italian is going to come out and say, "Yep. I sure did insult him for being a terrorist AND went after his mamma!"

COme on.