TX DPS standing firm of noncitizen driver's licenses

[peejay 327]

Noncitizens not off hook yet with DPS

By PEGGY FIKAC AUSTIN BUREAU

April 10, 2009, 8:35PM

AUSTIN — The Texas Department of Public Safety said Friday that noncitizens won’t be issued state driver’s licenses unless they meet stringent identification requirements, despite a judge’s decision to put the rules on hold until a trial on their legality.

The state said it has filed notice that it will appeal the decision by State District Judge Orlinda Naranjo of Travis County, who said DPS acted outside the scope of its authority in its changes to driver’s license rules last year.

DPS said the appeal means those rules — touted last year as a crackdown on unauthorized immigrants — will remain in effect until the merits of the appeal are decided.

“Noncitizens or temporary visitors to the United States who appear at DPS driver license offices will not be issued driver licenses if they do not meet current identification rules,” the agency said.

Not so fast, said the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, which sued over the rules and persuaded Naranjo to agree to the temporary injunction.

The group will oppose the state’s effort to keep the current rules in place while the appeal is pending, said staff attorney David Hinojosa: “We would fight that.”

According to the group, the rules are preventing thousands of people from getting licenses even though they are legally in the United States.

DPS said one reason it’s appealing is that the ruling “will have a major impact on business operations at the agency, and could in fact shut down the agency’s ability to appropriately and securely identify driver license applications.”

The agency noted that the Legislature also is looking at the issue and said it’s “waiting for guidance from that governing body.”

Before the rules were changed, an unexpired visa was accepted as proof of identify for someone seeking a driver’s license, Naranjo noted in her Thursday decision. Current rules require that an unexpired visa be issued for at least a year and have at least six months left on it when presented to DPS.

Current rules also provide for noncitizens’ licenses to differ in appearance from standard licenses and to show when a person’s stay in the country expires.

“This case is not about illegal immigrants obtaining driver licenses, it is about legal residents who have been denied or threatened a denial of a driver license,” Naranjo wrote.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6368537.html

[Heracles 417]

About time some common sense kicked in.

Such measures are already the norm in other developed countries.

[tallcoolone 102]

Just another problem that Illegals Aliens In Texas has made it hard for the legal immigrants to get DL

It's almost better to be an Illegal Alien in Texas, If you get a ticket you don't have to pay it cuz their is no way to track down and Illegal Immigrant.

If happen to knock up a girl in Texas and your an Illegal Alien, no way they can get Child Support from you cuz you can't legally work in USA

If you do a crime, you can just go back to across the border(s) and come back with a different name, and start all over

Damn, I Wish I was an Illegal Alien.....................

[Heracles 417]

Nah illegals are good for the country. Every country in the world should take in illegal immigrants. Especially the Northern Latino ones who are just a beacon for being law abiding. How many Americans are killed at the hands of illegal immigrants by means of vehicular manslaughter. I wouldn't say even 5.

Predicted moronic rebuttals:

A ) Why do you hate brown people?

B ) Well other people die at the hands of Americans therefore it is okay or no big deal that a drunk illegal immigrant who is speeding takes the life of a family. Well white Americans kill people so what's the difference if an illegal immigrant does the same?

Edited April 11, 2009 by Constellation

[peejay 327]

About time some common sense kicked in.

Such measures are already the norm in other developed countries.

Just look at who is against it and who filed the suit...MALDEF. Looks like they went "shopping" for the judge too. That pretty much 'splains it all.

While the current law may need some minor tweaking to better accomodate unusual circumstances that might unintentionally bar a qualifying foreigner that should get a license. It is quite obvious that certain groups wish for a return to the past in Texas when EWA illegal aliens routinely were given 6 year licenses on a mass basis and illegal aliens that overstayed visas were routinely given license renewals even after they lapsed into overstay and were illegally present.

MALDEF = Illegal Alien Cheerleader Squad

Edited April 11, 2009 by peejay

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Predicted moronic rebuttals:

A ) Why do you hate brown people?

B ) Well other people die at the hands of Americans therefore it is okay or no big deal that a drunk illegal immigrant who is speeding takes the life of a family. Well white Americans kill people so what's the difference if an illegal immigrant does the same?

Edited April 11, 2009 by Randomizer

[Heracles 417]

Just look at who is against it and who filed the suit...MALDEF. Looks like they went "shopping" for the judge too. That pretty much 'splains it all.

While the current law may need some minor tweaking to better accomodate unusual circumstances that might unintentionally bar a qualifying foreigner that should get a license. It is quite obvious that certain groups wish for a return to the past in Texas when EWA illegal aliens routinely were given 6 year licenses on a mass basis and illegal aliens that overstayed visas were routinely given license renewals even after they lapsed into overstay and were illegally present.

MALDEF = Illegal Alien Cheerleader Squad

Why should we care what a bunch of idiots like that think anyway. When did the voice of the few became the and-all-be-all in this country?

Such complaints are laughable in even the most socialist / immigrant friendly countries. The law is the law. Something recognized in every other developed country. I've never ever heard anything like the you are against brown people ####### that you hear here when it comes to illegals used abroad; which is used to pretty much defend everything. Not only would people laugh at this but they would probably throw the clown or group out for even suggesting such nonsense.

What sort of a moron breaks into another country and then demands equal rights?

Predicted moronic rebuttals:

A ) Why do you hate brown people?

B ) Well other people die at the hands of Americans therefore it is okay or no big deal that a drunk illegal immigrant who is speeding takes the life of a family. Well white Americans kill people so what's the difference if an illegal immigrant does the same?

And what your "why are you against brown people" argument does?"

NEXT

[Ban Hammer 14,273]

Predicted moronic rebuttals:

A ) Why do you hate brown people?

B ) Well other people die at the hands of Americans therefore it is okay or no big deal that a drunk illegal immigrant who is speeding takes the life of a family. Well white Americans kill people so what's the difference if an illegal immigrant does the same?

C) the op's blood pressure is getting high.

D) the op is fixated on this topic.

Edited April 11, 2009 by charles!

[Heracles 417]

Predicted moronic rebuttals:

A ) Why do you hate brown people?

B ) Well other people die at the hands of Americans therefore it is okay or no big deal that a drunk illegal immigrant who is speeding takes the life of a family. Well white Americans kill people so what's the difference if an illegal immigrant does the same?

C) the op's blood pressure is getting high.

D) the op is fixated on this topic.

Maybe you can fix this issue with guuuns.

He is in Texas where they have a huge IA problem. Whereas you are in Crapsas / Kanwho. A flat azz place even Americans don't want to live in.

Edited April 11, 2009 by Constellation

[peejay 327]

Predicted moronic rebuttals:

A ) Why do you hate brown people?

B ) Well other people die at the hands of Americans therefore it is okay or no big deal that a drunk illegal immigrant who is speeding takes the life of a family. Well white Americans kill people so what's the difference if an illegal immigrant does the same?

C) the op's blood pressure is getting high.

D) the op is fixated on this topic.

E) I live in Houston and see what is and has been going on for way too long and who is doing it. And it ain't pretty.

[JVKn'CVO 11]

Noncitizens not off hook yet with DPS

By PEGGY FIKAC AUSTIN BUREAU

April 10, 2009, 8:35PM

AUSTIN — The Texas Department of Public Safety said Friday that noncitizens won’t be issued state driver’s licenses unless they meet stringent identification requirements, despite a judge’s decision to put the rules on hold until a trial on their legality.

The state said it has filed notice that it will appeal the decision by State District Judge Orlinda Naranjo of Travis County, who said DPS acted outside the scope of its authority in its changes to driver’s license rules last year.

DPS said the appeal means those rules — touted last year as a crackdown on unauthorized immigrants — will remain in effect until the merits of the appeal are decided.

“Noncitizens or temporary visitors to the United States who appear at DPS driver license offices will not be issued driver licenses if they do not meet current identification rules,” the agency said.

Not so fast, said the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, which sued over the rules and persuaded Naranjo to agree to the temporary injunction.

The group will oppose the state’s effort to keep the current rules in place while the appeal is pending, said staff attorney David Hinojosa: “We would fight that.”

According to the group, the rules are preventing thousands of people from getting licenses even though they are legally in the United States.

DPS said one reason it’s appealing is that the ruling “will have a major impact on business operations at the agency, and could in fact shut down the agency’s ability to appropriately and securely identify driver license applications.”

The agency noted that the Legislature also is looking at the issue and said it’s “waiting for guidance from that governing body.”

Before the rules were changed, an unexpired visa was accepted as proof of identify for someone seeking a driver’s license, Naranjo noted in her Thursday decision. Current rules require that an unexpired visa be issued for at least a year From I-94 be issued for at least one year and have at least six months left on it when presented to DPS.

Current rules also provide for noncitizens’ licenses to differ in appearance from standard licenses and to show when a person’s stay in the country expires.

“This case is not about illegal immigrants obtaining driver licenses, it is about legal residents who have been denied or threatened a denial of a driver license,” Naranjo wrote.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6368537.html

Importance of correction noted:

a Tourist visa could be issued for as much as 10 years. However, when you get to customs that will allow usually between 3 to 6 months on your I-94. This is the amount of time you are allowed to stay on that visit. Different than visa validity. Anyone in Texas will agree that if you are going to spend a year plus on a visa (usually, student visa) you should be able to drive, because the distances in Texas are huge and there is very limited public transportation.

Saludos,

Caro

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

E) I live in Houston and see what is and has been going on for way too long and who is doing it. And it ain't pretty.

Could you tell me what you are doing besides ranting on a daily basis on this forum?

I'm sad for the people around you, if you talk about this all the time here, I just can imagine the kind of talk you have with family/friends/co-workers, after some time it gets old...

JOIN USCIS, ICE, BORDER PATROL or something, satisfy your urge for justice and stop waisting your energy by posting idiotic rants, be PROACTIVE not just a sad folk trying to solve the issues sitting his behind in front of a monitor

Edited April 11, 2009 by TävôLuDô

[peejay 327]

Noncitizens not off hook yet with DPS

By PEGGY FIKAC AUSTIN BUREAU

April 10, 2009, 8:35PM

AUSTIN — The Texas Department of Public Safety said Friday that noncitizens won’t be issued state driver’s licenses unless they meet stringent identification requirements, despite a judge’s decision to put the rules on hold until a trial on their legality.

The state said it has filed notice that it will appeal the decision by State District Judge Orlinda Naranjo of Travis County, who said DPS acted outside the scope of its authority in its changes to driver’s license rules last year.

DPS said the appeal means those rules — touted last year as a crackdown on unauthorized immigrants — will remain in effect until the merits of the appeal are decided.

“Noncitizens or temporary visitors to the United States who appear at DPS driver license offices will not be issued driver licenses if they do not meet current identification rules,” the agency said.

Not so fast, said the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, which sued over the rules and persuaded Naranjo to agree to the temporary injunction.

The group will oppose the state’s effort to keep the current rules in place while the appeal is pending, said staff attorney David Hinojosa: “We would fight that.”

According to the group, the rules are preventing thousands of people from getting licenses even though they are legally in the United States.

DPS said one reason it’s appealing is that the ruling “will have a major impact on business operations at the agency, and could in fact shut down the agency’s ability to appropriately and securely identify driver license applications.”

The agency noted that the Legislature also is looking at the issue and said it’s “waiting for guidance from that governing body.”

Before the rules were changed, an unexpired visa was accepted as proof of identify for someone seeking a driver’s license, Naranjo noted in her Thursday decision. Current rules require that an unexpired visa be issued for at least a year From I-94 be issued for at least one year and have at least six months left on it when presented to DPS.

Current rules also provide for noncitizens’ licenses to differ in appearance from standard licenses and to show when a person’s stay in the country expires.

“This case is not about illegal immigrants obtaining driver licenses, it is about legal residents who have been denied or threatened a denial of a driver license,” Naranjo wrote.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6368537.html

Importance of correction noted:

a Tourist visa could be issued for as much as 10 years. However, when you get to customs that will allow usually between 3 to 6 months on your I-94. This is the amount of time you are allowed to stay on that visit. Different than visa validity. Anyone in Texas will agree that if you are going to spend a year plus on a visa (usually, student visa) you should be able to drive, because the distances in Texas are huge and there is very limited public transportation.

Saludos,

Caro

I couldn't agree with you more. So why is there such a furor to tying TX driver license validation and issuance to visa expiration? Or to even requiring someone to even have a valid visa or legal residency to even get a Texas driver license? I think you already know that answer to that.

Not to mention that Texas already has bilateral agreements with many foreign countries that allow foreign nationals to temporarily use their foreign licenses in Texas for a limited time for short termed visits here. Such as your cited 3 to 6 month tourist.

I think the point with MALDEF is that they wish to throw the baby out with the bathwater. They are trying to circumvent and deter all of the changes that obviously have stopped illegal aliens from obtaining new TX driver licenses or allowed illegal aliens that do already have licenses they got from past lax rules from renewing them again.

Obviously certain people abused provisions under the old rules and are pissed that life can't be "business as usual" anymore. Don't blame the citizens of Texas for trying to fix a problem they didn't create in the first place and are suffering for now. The local state governments have to pick up the slack for an unresponsive, corrupt, and incompetent federal government.

These new rules are not "anti-immigrant" as MALDEF and their ilk contends. They are anti-illegal alien. Not to mention...not all foreigners that travel to the USA or Texas are immigrants. Many are temporary visitors that really should not be given long termed renewable state government identification and driving priviledges nor do they have the right to it.

[Ban Hammer 14,273]

Predicted moronic rebuttals:

A ) Why do you hate brown people?

B ) Well other people die at the hands of Americans therefore it is okay or no big deal that a drunk illegal immigrant who is speeding takes the life of a family. Well white Americans kill people so what's the difference if an illegal immigrant does the same?

C) the op's blood pressure is getting high.

D) the op is fixated on this topic.

Maybe you can fix this issue with guuuns.

He is in Texas where they have a huge IA problem. Whereas you are in Crapsas / Kanwho. A flat azz place even Americans don't want to live in.

obviously you've never been here

and while you're continuing to be stupid, remember i'm from texas - i just live and work in kansas.

[peejay 327]

E) I live in Houston and see what is and has been going on for way too long and who is doing it. And it ain't pretty.

Could you tell me what you are doing besides ranting on a daily basis on this forum?

I'm sad for the people around you, if you talk about this all the time here, I just can imagine the kind of talk you have with family/friends/co-workers, after some time it gets old...

JOIN USCIS, ICE, BORDER PATROL or something, satisfy your urge for justice and stop waisting your energy by posting idiotic rants, be PROACTIVE not just a sad folk trying to solve the issues sitting his behind in front of a monitor

Did someone just fart?