birth certificate question - UK fiance

[ealachan 0]

Hi all -

My fiance is from Wales (UK). I'm getting ready to file our I-129F and I just noticed that the birth certificate he gave me is a copy. It's an official copy (not a photocopy...an actual written one) from his home town...but is that going to give us trouble when the processing starts? His original was lost many years ago in a flood and he's always done fine over there with using the official copy he has...I just want to make sure it will fly with the U.S. Government, or if I should FedEx it back to him and have him get it notorized or something?

Thanks for your help...I'd be completely lost if it weren't for this site!!

-Ealachan

[Hell0W0rld 10]

if this is an official copy then it should be fine, my fiancee from China did the samething, got a official copy, because when she was born they didn't give out birth certificates. and hers was handwritten aswell.

[Stinky Monkey 1]

What you have sounds like it is ok, my original was hand written they did not have cumputers then ha ha

I thought it best just incase to get a extra copy, so I applied online and got one in 3 days, so if you are worried it is an option

[payxibka 10,048]

Hi all -

My fiance is from Wales (UK). I'm getting ready to file our I-129F and I just noticed that the birth certificate he gave me is a copy. It's an official copy (not a photocopy...an actual written one) from his home town...but is that going to give us trouble when the processing starts? His original was lost many years ago in a flood and he's always done fine over there with using the official copy he has...I just want to make sure it will fly with the U.S. Government, or if I should FedEx it back to him and have him get it notorized or something?

Thanks for your help...I'd be completely lost if it weren't for this site!!

-Ealachan

bc for the alien fiance(e) is not a requirement for the I-129f petition... that need will come later at the consulate....

[pushbrk 13,625]

Hi all -

My fiance is from Wales (UK). I'm getting ready to file our I-129F and I just noticed that the birth certificate he gave me is a copy. It's an official copy (not a photocopy...an actual written one) from his home town...but is that going to give us trouble when the processing starts? His original was lost many years ago in a flood and he's always done fine over there with using the official copy he has...I just want to make sure it will fly with the U.S. Government, or if I should FedEx it back to him and have him get it notorized or something?

Thanks for your help...I'd be completely lost if it weren't for this site!!

-Ealachan

bc for the alien fiance(e) is not a requirement for the I-129f petition... that need will come later at the consulate....

That's correct. I would make a copy and send it back to your foreign fiance. He should then carry a copy and the original to the interview. Give them the copy but show them the original if asked. (By "original", I mean the original certified copy.) Few people can actually produce an "original" birth certificate usable for this purpose.

[Krikit 1,166]

That's correct. I would make a copy and send it back to your foreign fiance. He should then carry a copy and the original to the interview. Give them the copy but show them the original if asked. (By "original", I mean the original certified copy.) Few people can actually produce an "original" birth certificate usable for this purpose.

Yeppers. *points up* The "original" is the official copy. I used the official copy of my UK birth certificate..... not the actual original. He'll be fine with that, Ealachan. Congratulations on getting started!

[miss g 1]

i dont know coz i recently got a RFE because of my decree absolute "Not being the original" so i went to the court to get another and it was just a print off with a red stamp.. i had to ask them to do alittle more and like sign it.. so i dont know what to say but if he can get it notorized then do it

[pushbrk 13,625]

i dont know coz i recently got a RFE because of my decree absolute "Not being the original" so i went to the court to get another and it was just a print off with a red stamp.. i had to ask them to do alittle more and like sign it.. so i dont know what to say but if he can get it notorized then do it

Gibberish. One need not submit an original of a divorce decree or decree abslolute. It is standard to submit a photocopy of a certified copy. Certified copies bear the seal of the issuing authority. Notaries witness signatures, so are useless with regard to Western birth or divorce certificates.

[miss g 1]

i dont know coz i recently got a RFE because of my decree absolute "Not being the original" so i went to the court to get another and it was just a print off with a red stamp.. i had to ask them to do alittle more and like sign it.. so i dont know what to say but if he can get it notorized then do it

Gibberish. One need not submit an original of a divorce decree or decree abslolute. It is standard to submit a photocopy of a certified copy. Certified copies bear the seal of the issuing authority. Notaries witness signatures, so are useless with regard to Western birth or divorce certificates.

gibberish perhaps but thats what i had to submit.. i had to get another copy and get the court office manager to sign it and say its a true copy ..

[*julez* 124]

i dont know coz i recently got a RFE because of my decree absolute "Not being the original" so i went to the court to get another and it was just a print off with a red stamp.. i had to ask them to do alittle more and like sign it.. so i dont know what to say but if he can get it notorized then do it

Gibberish. One need not submit an original of a divorce decree or decree abslolute. It is standard to submit a photocopy of a certified copy. Certified copies bear the seal of the issuing authority. Notaries witness signatures, so are useless with regard to Western birth or divorce certificates.

Gibberish? Becuse you say so? Perhaps you should read her post more carefully. Or at least be less condescending if you don't agree.

After all, she did get an RFE requesting an original document. The UK decree absolute is notorious for causing problems during the I129f adjudication phase since it is a very unassuming document. Since this is often a troublesome document, its never a bad idea to submit an original, even if technically an original is not required.

[miss g 1]

i dont know coz i recently got a RFE because of my decree absolute "Not being the original" so i went to the court to get another and it was just a print off with a red stamp.. i had to ask them to do alittle more and like sign it.. so i dont know what to say but if he can get it notorized then do it

Gibberish. One need not submit an original of a divorce decree or decree abslolute. It is standard to submit a photocopy of a certified copy. Certified copies bear the seal of the issuing authority. Notaries witness signatures, so are useless with regard to Western birth or divorce certificates.

Gibberish? Becuse you say so? Perhaps you should read her post more carefully. Or at least be less condescending if you don't agree.

After all, she did get an RFE requesting an original document. The UK decree absolute is notorious for causing problems during the I129f adjudication phase since it is a very unassuming document. Since this is often a troublesome document, its never a bad idea to submit an original, even if technically an original is not required.

the decree absolute is a stupid piece of paper, it literally is a computer print out, which the court then date stamps with their "official" court stamp - theres no fancy too it.. i will try and get a copy for the files on here for people to see .... maybe we should start a thread about trouble some documents, had i known i could of got a more "original" original.

[pushbrk 13,625]

i dont know coz i recently got a RFE because of my decree absolute "Not being the original" so i went to the court to get another and it was just a print off with a red stamp.. i had to ask them to do alittle more and like sign it.. so i dont know what to say but if he can get it notorized then do it

Gibberish. One need not submit an original of a divorce decree or decree abslolute. It is standard to submit a photocopy of a certified copy. Certified copies bear the seal of the issuing authority. Notaries witness signatures, so are useless with regard to Western birth or divorce certificates.

gibberish perhaps but thats what i had to submit.. i had to get another copy and get the court office manager to sign it and say its a true copy ..

Gibberish because a "true copy" is not an "original". You had it signed and notarized but that doesn't mean it was necessary to do so. What did the "red stamp" say.

i dont know coz i recently got a RFE because of my decree absolute "Not being the original" so i went to the court to get another and it was just a print off with a red stamp.. i had to ask them to do alittle more and like sign it.. so i dont know what to say but if he can get it notorized then do it

Gibberish. One need not submit an original of a divorce decree or decree abslolute. It is standard to submit a photocopy of a certified copy. Certified copies bear the seal of the issuing authority. Notaries witness signatures, so are useless with regard to Western birth or divorce certificates.

Gibberish? Becuse you say so? Perhaps you should read her post more carefully. Or at least be less condescending if you don't agree.

After all, she did get an RFE requesting an original document. The UK decree absolute is notorious for causing problems during the I129f adjudication phase since it is a very unassuming document. Since this is often a troublesome document, its never a bad idea to submit an original, even if technically an original is not required.

I don't know the RFE said anything of the kind. If she mistakes "original" for "true copy" what else is wrong with the original assertion?

i dont know coz i recently got a RFE because of my decree absolute "Not being the original" so i went to the court to get another and it was just a print off with a red stamp.. i had to ask them to do alittle more and like sign it.. so i dont know what to say but if he can get it notorized then do it

Gibberish. One need not submit an original of a divorce decree or decree abslolute. It is standard to submit a photocopy of a certified copy. Certified copies bear the seal of the issuing authority. Notaries witness signatures, so are useless with regard to Western birth or divorce certificates.

Gibberish? Becuse you say so? Perhaps you should read her post more carefully. Or at least be less condescending if you don't agree.

After all, she did get an RFE requesting an original document. The UK decree absolute is notorious for causing problems during the I129f adjudication phase since it is a very unassuming document. Since this is often a troublesome document, its never a bad idea to submit an original, even if technically an original is not required.

the decree absolute is a stupid piece of paper, it literally is a computer print out, which the court then date stamps with their "official" court stamp - theres no fancy too it.. i will try and get a copy for the files on here for people to see .... maybe we should start a thread about trouble some documents, had i known i could of got a more "original" original.

The court stamp is what certifies the "printout", not as an "original" but as an actual copy of what is recorded.

The key issue here is what was different about what you originally submitted and the printout with the court stamp.

Edited January 7, 2009 by pushbrk

[*julez* 124]

If you had ever seen a UK decree absolute you would know. It is a one page document that is not signed and just has a small smudgy stamp that makes it an official document. If you request a true copy, which I have, you get a document that looks exactly like the orginal document.

Her RFE asked for a "true copy", hence my assertion that calling her statement gibberish is unneccessarily rude. But also par for the coursefor you. After all, you know everything and couldn't possibly learn from others who have actually lived through a I129f and subsequent K1 visa through the US Embassy in London.

[Laura+Tom 2]

For a UK birth certificate you will never have an 'original' in your posession, the 'original' is kept by the General Register Office. So the copy your parents got when you were registered was a 'certified copy'. In fact when I requested a long form certifcate it was infact a not so fancy photocopy onto some cream paper with a printed GRO stamp and the title 'Certified Copy of an Entry'

[pushbrk 13,625]

If you had ever seen a UK decree absolute you would know. It is a one page document that is not signed and just has a small smudgy stamp that makes it an official document. If you request a true copy, which I have, you get a document that looks exactly like the orginal document.

Her RFE asked for a "true copy", hence my assertion that calling her statement gibberish is unneccessarily rude. But also par for the coursefor you. After all, you know everything and couldn't possibly learn from others who have actually lived through a I129f and subsequent K1 visa through the US Embassy in London.

Her RFE may well have asked for a "true copy" but what I called "gibberish" was her assertion that she was asked for an "original". When we use the wrong terminology, statements are misleading. When statements make no sense, I call them "gibberish" or worse. Use the correct terminology and amazingly most people understand.

She was not asked for an original and did not obtain one. She obtained a "true copy". In the US, we would call that a "certified copy".