Zarqawi Killed In Air Raid

[almaty 19]

yabasta, i always enjoy your post...different views make the world sane...dean

Edited June 18, 2006 by almaty2004

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The much-cited "Berg beheading" video is a fraud.

please cite the sources for that statement

Let me ask you.

Have you seen the video ?

[ual777 0]

WW1 led directly into WW2. The origins of WW2 lay in the Treaty of Versailles, which bankrupted Germany with reparation costs as the allies carved it up between themselves.

Nazism was caused as a direct result of the resentment felt by germans by being relegated to the status of second class citizens in Europe.

Correct, but this does not pertain to my comment. Poland was taken from Germany and many Germans were still living there. However, you did not see German suicide bombings in Poland over it.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I know how Israel was created, and I also know that it was supported mainly by the British in the late 1940's. However, you didn't see Germans start blowing themselves up in Polish restaurants at the end of WWI did you?

Then why did you try to push the lie that the backlash against Israel was based on religion or sexual permissiveness of the West ?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The point of the video is to show the exact barbaric nature that you speak of; a kind of wake-up call if you will.

I think that you may have misread my post, or I didn't clarify upon the point as much as I should have.

I am not stating that the general muslim population is ready to cut our heads off, not at all. I do however, think that the 'radical element' is larger than we think it is, although still a minority. What I AM saying is that the muslim population needs to turn the radicals in to the authorities when they are seen. Radical imams are the ones preaching the hate, and breeding the terrorists. I find it dispicable that the muslim population worldwide fails to denounce these people and what they are doing.

That being said, 'rather backward' is an understatement. Saudi Arabia still decapitates people and cuts off the limbs of people who steal. Its something right out of the middle ages. I find the comments of some of the leaders of these countries, and the laws of the countries EXTREMELY disturbing.

That's certainly true. Saudi Arabia also funds international terrorism, (including Bin Laden) but it gets a pass while we go into Iraq, where aside from a secular dictator who had outlived his usefulness there were no terrorists? And yet Saudi Arabia is our biggest ally?

Its the selective nature of this war that I find dishonest. We need to stop pretending that we have a humanitarian goals here. Liberating Iraq for Iraqis sounds great, but it was always a secondary goal to the narrow self-interest that got us there.

People ask the wrong questions, which IMO shows a massive lack of understanding of the middle-east, its history, culture and politics.

[*Robert* 2]

I can not take emoticon addicts too seriously [...].

That is too funny. Very good point.

Edited June 18, 2006 by roi_aggie

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

WW1 led directly into WW2. The origins of WW2 lay in the Treaty of Versailles, which bankrupted Germany with reparation costs as the allies carved it up between themselves.

Nazism was caused as a direct result of the resentment felt by germans by being relegated to the status of second class citizens in Europe.

Correct, but this does not pertain to my comment. Poland was taken from Germany and many Germans were still living there. However, you did not see German suicide bombings in Poland over it.

No we didn't, what happened there was worse because Germany was an industrialised country with a formidable economic infrastructure. Before the Nazi party came to the fore, Germany had a written constitution superior (in many ways) to that of the United states. It took only 12 short years to tear it up and put the country on a course that led to secular extremism, anti-semitism, genocide and a world war.

There's no need to resort to suicide bombing if you have an economic and manufacturing base tied to a military that can challenge your enemies directly. Most middle eastern countries simply don't, but neither I might add do countries like Afghanistan, Yemen etc have particularly good educational systems. Where-ever you have an inadequate education system you invariably find that people turn to religion to fill the gap. That's not to justify it of course, but it is a different kettle of fish entirely.

Edited June 18, 2006 by Fishdude

[Ban Hammer 14,274]

I can not take emoticon addicts too seriously but yes it is no doubt true that some anti war folks might say some dumb things but i can`t think of any that i have seen. Even if they do say anything dumb at least their hearts are in the right place. War simply is not going to ever unite people unless you count uniting against a common enemy perhaps which is not real unity.

that's quite alright, i have a difficult time taking you seriously with your flower child outlook on life. btw, be careful about the emoticon addicts, you might tick off more people than you realize. war does unite people, and it divides people. it also has solved more issues in human history than you realize. ask the city of hiroshima.

Well i think Terry Nichols is hardly the same is it? Terry Nichols is not a country and his "cause" is not really known by most. All i can learn from the whole affair is that something fishy went down. As for WW2 there are still remnants of that war today. The reason that entire nations were nto wiped out is because the war ended. There is never going to be a ceasefire declared in this type of war is there? There is no leader because they are fighting for their land and not just for their boss. It is the mistake of Vietnam all over again. What do they have to lose that will not be taken away by America anyway? The only result of this conflict is more death.

as terry nichols is not a country, the same could be said for most of the terrorists, can it not? they are not "iraq" and most are from different countries (zarqawi was from jordan). there is always something fishy going on in the world. why did france make such an uproar about the usa going into iraq? because they had their hands in the pie selling weapons to saddam. many countries were doing shady deals with saddam, think about that for a while.

Always funny when the best argument a person can come up with is that their opponents are for "peace and brotherhood". Such horrible vlues i know. I am not really big on calling myself left wing though as i don`t buy into that ######. I am a human being above all else.

that you are a human being is not in dispute. what is in dispute is what is your solution to iraq? shaking your head? hand wringing? proposing we sit down and talk with whoever? those won't work..... we have two cultures at opposite extremes. radical muslims want nothing more than to see the usa, and every american, dead. got it? now taking that into account, what plausible solution is there?

Well you need to wake up and realise that killing one man or 1000000 men will not make the world more peaceful. It is basic common sense. Militant radicals are created by the actions you advocate. USA was never attacked because they beat people to the punch and then funded both sides of conflicts that they created. For a military man you are not very informed about how the military actually works it would seem.

oh i'm fully awake. and yes, killing 1, or 1,000,000 will work. it's called attrition, simple math. which, as you say, is basic common sense. militant radicals are created by weakness, because they know they can get away with it. why didn't you see such in saddam's reign? because he would have, and did, squash them like a bug. as for the stupid remark about "for a military man..." i'll just ignore that, as you have no clue about the military as previously proven.

You really buy that stuff? and you call me a crazy conspiracy nut? ha funny.

buy? it's basic deductive reasoning. no wonder you can't understand it.

btw it is Reagan and he was working for and with militant radicals.

you're hardly one to correct spelling errors, einstein. and no he was not.

and here's one smiley just for you

I can not take emoticon addicts too seriously [...].

That is too funny. Very good point.

as you've done so a few times today, does that mean you don't take yourself seriously?

Saudi Arabia still decapitates people and cuts off the limbs of people who steal. Its something right out of the middle ages. I find the comments of some of the leaders of these countries, and the laws of the countries EXTREMELY disturbing.

The United States still has capital punishment. Most "civilized" Western countries have long since abolished this sort of "ultimate penalty," and find it EXTREMELY disturbing that America still permits it... indeed, as in your words, something "right out of the middle ages."

So.... what do you think they should do about it ?

if you want child molesters, rapists, and murders living around you, feel free. i'd rather see them removed from society - permanently

The much-cited "Berg beheading" video is a fraud.

please cite the sources for that statement

Let me ask you.

Have you seen the video ?

yes, now cite your sources as previously requested.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Saudi Arabia still decapitates people and cuts off the limbs of people who steal. Its something right out of the middle ages. I find the comments of some of the leaders of these countries, and the laws of the countries EXTREMELY disturbing.

The United States still has capital punishment. Most "civilized" Western countries have long since abolished this sort of "ultimate penalty," and find it EXTREMELY disturbing that America still permits it... indeed, as in your words, something "right out of the middle ages."

So.... what do you think they should do about it ?

if you want child molesters, rapists, and murders living around you, feel free. i'd rather see them removed from society - permanently

Well I would hazard to guess that this same type of reasoning would be Saudi Arabia's line of defense for its style of punishment as well.

[ual777 0]

I know how Israel was created, and I also know that it was supported mainly by the British in the late 1940's. However, you didn't see Germans start blowing themselves up in Polish restaurants at the end of WWI did you?

Then why did you try to push the lie that the backlash against Israel was based on religion or sexual permissiveness of the West ?

I didnt say that. Learn to read all of my post.

Oh, BTW, lethal injection is NOT the same as a public beheading so dont pretend that it is.

[Ban Hammer 14,274]

Saudi Arabia still decapitates people and cuts off the limbs of people who steal. Its something right out of the middle ages. I find the comments of some of the leaders of these countries, and the laws of the countries EXTREMELY disturbing.

The United States still has capital punishment. Most "civilized" Western countries have long since abolished this sort of "ultimate penalty," and find it EXTREMELY disturbing that America still permits it... indeed, as in your words, something "right out of the middle ages."

So.... what do you think they should do about it ?

if you want child molesters, rapists, and murders living around you, feel free. i'd rather see them removed from society - permanently

Well I would hazard to guess that this same type of reasoning would be Saudi Arabia's line of defense for its style of punishment as well.

i'd call such an execution by cultural methods. and i also think such is quite effective as a deterrent.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Saudi Arabia still decapitates people and cuts off the limbs of people who steal. Its something right out of the middle ages. I find the comments of some of the leaders of these countries, and the laws of the countries EXTREMELY disturbing.

The United States still has capital punishment. Most "civilized" Western countries have long since abolished this sort of "ultimate penalty," and find it EXTREMELY disturbing that America still permits it... indeed, as in your words, something "right out of the middle ages."

So.... what do you think they should do about it ?

if you want child molesters, rapists, and murders living around you, feel free. i'd rather see them removed from society - permanently

Well I would hazard to guess that this same type of reasoning would be Saudi Arabia's line of defense for its style of punishment as well.

i'd call such an execution by cultural methods. and i also think such is quite effective as a deterrent.

OK.... so you are saying that you don't have a problem with Saudi Arabia's style of justice ? Or am I misinterpreting your comment here ?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i'd call such an execution by cultural methods. and i also think such is quite effective as a deterrent.

Clearly it isn't - as the numbers of executions don't seem to reduce the national crime rate, which as far as I'm aware rises slightly each year.

[Ban Hammer 14,274]

OK.... so you are saying that you don't have a problem with Saudi Arabia's style of justice ? Or am I misinterpreting your comment here ?

i certainly have no problems with it. i also think public flogging should be reinstated.

that should give fishdude a heart attack

i'd call such an execution by cultural methods. and i also think such is quite effective as a deterrent.

Clearly it isn't - as the numbers of executions don't seem to reduce the national crime rate, which as far as I'm aware rises slightly each year.

certainly no complaints about repeat offenders eh?

btw, crime rates rising is not surprising, as the population rises too

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

i also think public flogging should be reinstated.

that should give fishdude a heart attack

You voyeur you.