Obama doesn't like Hamas (VJ terror apologists: why do you?)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Re: the atomic bombing of Japan - there is some debate (even from key military commanders at the time including Generals Eisenhower and MacArthur - Admiral Nimitz) that it was actually unnecessary, certainly in regards to the bombing of Nagasaki.

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The issues between Israel and Palestine will not be resolved in our lifetime. 200+ people were killed in Palestine and it barely made headline news.

The Mumbai attacks on the other hand, gobbled up 3-5 days of Prime Time News. Why is that?

The whole thing is about land, the religious angle is just the side show.

We are more vested in India than we are in Gaza. But the problems between Israel and the Palestinians has been going on for decades, its not really new or news.

The bold type captures my point exactly. To address the rest, the United States is more deeply vested with Israel than India. Who gets more military training, arms, planes; and intelligence cooperation from the US?

Answer: Israel.

Agreed, some of this goes to India, but on a much smaller scale.

My perspective on this is different, but the facts remain clear.

I meant economically. US companies have more investments in India than Israel. But militarily you are correct.

It's all good bro. Either way, these situations need resolution. I hope the new Prez and his admin can make progress here. I have held this hope for many years now......And I am not old yet.

I got my fingers crossed for this one coming up. Not too hopeful for any immediate resolution but maybe something in the long term can be had with more attitude adjustments can be facilitated for both sides of that idiotic conflict.

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A couple well placed nukes would take care of things quite quickly. An overnight success.

Tough talking p###y rides again.

Must be nap time! Or else someone needs to be changed.

Where was all that tough talk during Vietnam, Marc? Or were you too busy getting loaded to notice?

If the Soviets did try to take over the entire world, would have gone broke that much quicker, my cousin got killed in that war, brother-in-law lived a painful life with agent orange, and for what? Seeing stuff all over in stores today, Made in Viet Nam. Before that is made in Korea, Japan, or Germany. Korea took our ship building industry and Japan owns us. What did our guys die for?

Sorry to hear about your relatives.

Don't be hatin' on the Vietnamese over that one.

1.) We shouldn't have been mixed up in a civil war.

and 2). We got our a$$ kicked fair and square.

If it's any consolation the place is still a third world hell hole. No one really won IMHO.

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Personally I think Hamas sucks and should be wiped off the face of the Earth. Killing civilians in the process is unacceptable though. Israel is out of control and out of line with their actions today.

So should Israel just launch unguided missiles at the Gaza strip in retaliation?

Wait.... they have the ability to guide their munitions, and they did.

Thanks for pointing that out. It actually makes it worse IMHO.

Seriously. In your opinion what should Israel do? I have a feeling nothing they do would please you. Nothing.

It's worse to be able to guide your weapons?

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Seriously. In your opinion what should Israel do? I have a feeling nothing they do would please you. Nothing.

It's worse to be able to guide your weapons?

What I'd like to ask is this: how many rocket attacks should Israel have tolerated?

If someone had fired 50 rockets into America with lethal intent, do you think anyone in America would fail to understand it as an action of war - even if through God's grace (and rather backwards weapon technology) only a few people died from the rockets?

Israel stated clearly that if Hamas would knock it off with the rockets, they wouldn't strike back. Hamas kept firing. Israel finally had enough of it.

Edited December 28, 2008 by shaggy_mutt

[Teacher Mark 53]

I don't give a sh!t what they do. Just stop killing and wounding civilians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

Edited December 28, 2008 by Joe Six-Pack

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I don't give a sh!t what they do. Just stop killing and wounding civilians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

Which one? Little mixed up heh?

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Seriously. In your opinion what should Israel do? I have a feeling nothing they do would please you. Nothing.

It's worse to be able to guide your weapons?

What I'd like to ask is this: how many rocket attacks should Israel have tolerated?

If someone had fired 50 rockets into America with lethal intent, do you think anyone in America would fail to understand it as an action of war - even if through God's grace (and rather backwards weapon technology) only a few people died from the rockets?

Israel stated clearly that if Hamas would knock it off with the rockets, they wouldn't strike back. Hamas kept firing. Israel finally had enough of it.

There is a real problem with a-historicity here. You act like Hamas began attacking Israel for no reason. You don't even mention that Israel's occupation of Arab lands has been declared illegal for the past few decades by every international legal body. Until Israel gives ALL people living under its control the same rights, allows the right of refugees to return to the homes and land within Israel that was confiscated during Israel's wars of creation, allows Palestinian access to their capital, Jerusalem, there is no hope for peace.

Putting people in little Bantustans, allowing them to vote for their own dog catcher, is not granting people freedom and self-determination. The Palestinians know that Israel will never give them freedom within those territories, so they fight for the destruction of the Israeli state. Meanwhile, Israel has been trying to make them suffer for decades so that they will leave for Jordan or Egypt or the United States.

Please leave these a-historical arguments aside. What would I do if someone shot rockets at me? I would shoot back, of course! That's the kind of mindless revenge thinking that perpetuates conflicts, rather than thinking outside the box, understanding the grievances on both sides, and solving a very serious and sad and bloody issue.

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I don't give a sh!t what they do. Just stop killing and wounding civilians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

Which one? Little mixed up heh?

The Hamas attacks don't kill women, children or civillians. They have special weaponry that won't harm innocent people.

[Teacher Mark 53]

I don't give a sh!t what they do. Just stop killing and wounding civilians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

Which one? Little mixed up heh?

Shouldn't YOU be out on a ledge somewhere?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I don't give a sh!t what they do. Just stop killing and wounding civilians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

Which one? Little mixed up heh?

Shouldn't YOU be out on a ledge somewhere?

Still mixed up?

[Teacher Mark 53]

I don't give a sh!t what they do. Just stop killing and wounding civilians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

Which one? Little mixed up heh?

The Hamas attacks don't kill women, children or civillians. They have special weaponry that won't harm innocent people.

I'm pretty sure that I have stated earlier that I don't condone that bunch of terrorists either. They, as far as I can tell, are not recieving biilions in aid from the U.S. however.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I don't give a sh!t what they do. Just stop killing and wounding civilians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

Which one? Little mixed up heh?

The Hamas attacks don't kill women, children or civillians. They have special weaponry that won't harm innocent people.

I'm pretty sure that I have stated earlier that I don't condone that bunch of terrorists either. They, as far as I can tell, are not recieving biilions in aid from the U.S. however.

At least Obama will turn on Israel and stop supporting them, saving us a fortune.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I don't give a sh!t what they do. Just stop killing and wounding civilians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

Which one? Little mixed up heh?

The Hamas attacks don't kill women, children or civillians. They have special weaponry that won't harm innocent people.

I'm pretty sure that I have stated earlier that I don't condone that bunch of terrorists either. They, as far as I can tell, are not recieving biilions in aid from the U.S. however.

Have another six-pack! Joe.

[Teacher Mark 53]

I don't give a sh!t what they do. Just stop killing and wounding civilians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

Which one? Little mixed up heh?

The Hamas attacks don't kill women, children or civillians. They have special weaponry that won't harm innocent people.

I'm pretty sure that I have stated earlier that I don't condone that bunch of terrorists either. They, as far as I can tell, are not recieving biilions in aid from the U.S. however.

At least Obama will turn on Israel and stop supporting them, saving us a fortune.

Yeah right.